Florida was after William Nylander

Steve Simmons of the Toronto Sun writes … When Dale Tallon was thinking of trading the No. 1 pick in the NHL Draft and moving back, the player the Florida GM wanted to select was William Nylander

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48 Responses to Florida was after William Nylander

  1. nordiques100 says:

    Franson signs for 1 year at 3.3 million. He will be a UFA next summer.

    I believe he will still be traded. At least now, they know how much he will be making, and its less than the 4.2 million he was asking in Arbitration.

    • leafy says:

      I think I’m the only one in Leafs nation who likes Franson. He has tremendous potential. Just has to learn to harvest it.

      • Gambo says:

        He’s not going to get any better foot speed and he’s kind of dumb. Sure he’s got great hands for a big guy, can hit, and has a good half clapper. But he’s not needed on the top PP anymore.

        Would rather play Granberg than have Franson at anywhere above 2 million. And he’s signed for 3.3 million.

  2. leafs_wallace93 says:

    This is news, it was pretty much common knowledge Tallon wanted is Kane clone in Nylander going into the draft, that’s why Vancouver and Toronto had legitimate chances at Ekblad. It’s all good, I expect Ekblad to be a massive disappointment for a 1st overall pick.

    • kessel_leafs81 says:

      then again most dmen drafted 1st overal are a disappointment.

      • leafs_wallace93 says:

        Yeah, outside of Rienhart, I’m not really that jealous of what got picked ahead of Nylaner.

        • mojo19 says:

          Ya Reinhart, MAYBE Dreiseitl because he’s a big body centre. But overall, ya I would actually rather roll the dice on Nylander than Ekblad. Ekblad will be a Luke Schenn type. Big deal.

          • Gambo says:

            No Leafs bias there?

            • LN91 says:

              Huge Leaf bias…Ekblad has the one thing that Luke Schenn did not have to be successful in this league…Skating.

              Ekblad, will be a tremendous player…And to say you prefer Nylander is laughable.

              However…I do prefer Nylander over a few others before him though.

              • mojo19 says:

                I’m completely against taking a dman with a high pick. I guess he could turn into Chris Pronger, but more likely to turn into Chris Phillips.

                • nordiques100 says:

                  Pronger was Pronger, but he sure got a lot of help playing with Al MacInnis in St Louis while he was developing.

                  I mean imagine if he stayed on those rather weak Hartford teams. He would have been on an island.

                  certainly he made a difference to teams on his own, but he had help. I don’t see Ekblad having much help in FLA. he may look better because Luongo is not a poor goalie yet.

                  Schenn suffered the same fate. The Leafs suck on D so he had no one to really help him. And the guy that could, hated him. Not ideal captain qualities there.

              • leafs_wallace93 says:

                Everyone said the same thing about Schenn when he was drafted, everyone online drooled over the fact he was a great skater which was the reason he’d be different and he was labeled untouchable, the Adam Foote for the new LNH ect…..

                PMD drafted high sure (imagine we took Karlsson over Schenn that draft?) anything else on the blueline, buyer beware. At least we weren’t the marks that drafted Hayden Fleury.

          • Steven_Leafs0 says:

            That’s wrong on so many levels. If Florida offered Ekblad straight up for Nylander everyone would take it. Anyone who would ask for more is very biased lol.

            Now I can understand that Leafs fans would not want to give up Phaneuf/Kadri & Nylander for Ekblad but Ekblad is clearly the better player. Could he be a flop? Sure, but so could Nylander.

  3. toronto77 says:

    I am now more excited about Nylander now more then ever now? I have asked this question before but do not think it got answered. Do you think Nylander can step into the NHL next season and make an impact without having a sophomore season regression? Much like P.Kane and Kessel these 2 extremely talented players with no physicality what so ever have played in the NHL immediately after being drafted and made an impact in their rookie season and were consistent in the following season and neither one has had a bad season, so can Nylander be the same? maybe his speed and talent will eliminate any physicality he has to bring and if he keeps skating it will be tough for d-men to contain him much like P.Kane and Kessel.

    It’s not impossible for Nylander to have an amazing season next year in the NHL, P.Kane and Kessel are not physical what so ever but they managed to be 60-80 point players consistently since being drafted.

    • mojo19 says:

      I don’t think it’s crazy, but I’m guessing they send him to Sweden if he doesn’t dominate at camp and just push his way into a top 6 role. If there is any doubt I imagine Shanny and Nonis will send him home for a year of conditioning.

      But if he did step in and make an immediate impact we would look something like this:

      J.VanRieimsdyk – Tyler Bozak – Phil Kessel
      Joffrey Lupul – Nazem Kadri – William Nylander
      Leo Komarov – Petri Kontiola – David Clarkson
      Mike Santorelli – Peter Holland – Matt Frattin

      Dion Phaneuf – Roman Polak
      Morgan Rielly – Stephane Robidas
      Jake Gardiner – Cody Franson

      Jonathan Bernier
      James Reimer

      A few question marks, few wild card x-factors (Nylander’s play, development of Rielly, Gardiner, just who really is Petri Kontiola, etc.) But in a wide open East this could be a 5th place team or dead last.

      • mojo19 says:

        I put Polak up with Dion, because given the partner’s he’s had over the last few years (namely Holzer) I feel like Carlyle would want to try the big, stay home righty on the Dion pairing.

      • lafleur10 says:

        you won’t be anywhere near 5th or in the top 5 in the conference evry team has improved themselves greatly the leafs haven’t i suspect they’ll fight it out for 12-13 in the conference and for last in the division

    • LN91 says:

      Everyone is drooling about Nylander…Even some other teams, but the best thing for him is not to be up with the Leafs this season.

      He does not need much seasoning…But he needs a year in a comfortable setting before throwing him to the wolves.

      I would prefer sending him to Mississauga or Modo…Before the Marlies or Leafs.

      • nordiques100 says:

        totally agree. The kid needs time. I don’t mind the Marlies however. like in the SEL he’d be playing against older, more mature players anyways.

        It would allow them to keep an eye on him and have him train and stuff their way, not so far from their watchful eye.

        • LN91 says:

          I do not mind the Marlies, some players have not been developed properly in the AHL.

          I prefer Modo, as Sweden/SEL is more concerned with developing their talent more than anything else or Mississauga…Where he can learn and feel elite over kids his age, continue to grow as a player.

    • In my opinion, if he’s playing on the leafs next season, it’ll be one of the worst decisions the leafs organization has made in years.

  4. mojo19 says:

    Only way they keep the kid up is if he absolutely gives them no choice at camp. Most likely gonna go home to Sweden this season.

  5. leafy says:

    I can see the Leafs making a deal around Civil day (or whatever that holiday in early August is called).

  6. nordiques100 says:

    Leafs can Claude Loiselle and Dave Poulin. Hire Kyle Dubas. A very interesting hire since he is big on analytics. A more forward thinking, young exec with no previous ties to the organization or the NHL period except as an Agent.

    A very outside the box hire by Shanahan. I think thats great.

  7. LN91 says:

    David Booth signs, messy.

    • kessel_leafs81 says:

      low risk high reward? dont mind it.. even if he scores 15 goals this season its still a win for 1.1 million. Former 30 goal scorer hey why not? just a matter of regaining confidence.

  8. mojo19 says:

    Booth has been pretty banged up these last few years. If he can be healthy and score 10-15 goals he’ll be a good addition.

    Now our winger depth is pretty solid: Kessel, VanRiemsdyk, Lupul, Booth, Clarkson, Komarov, Santorelli, Frattin. (Bodie, Ashton, Leivo, Abbott, Orr)

    Centres a big question mark: Bozak, Kadri, Kontiola, Holland, Smith. (Carrick, McKegg, Gauthier, *Nylander)

  9. Gambo says:

    Haha I remember a few years ago I was browsing hfboards and there was a thread that asked which hockey player had the lowest hockey iq and the two most common answers, by a lot, were Booth and Clarkson. Now they’re both on Toronto.

  10. Gambo says:

    With the hire of Dubas I can’t see any chance Jake Gardiner gets traded.

    • kessel_leafs81 says:

      Good, always said that gardiner has the skating and playmaking ability that just cant be taught. With a few kinks to his game a hot streak that happens early in the season to gain his confidence we can see a whole new level of his game.

  11. leafy says:

    He’s has more injuries than Evel Knievel, but worth a shot.

  12. leafs_wallace93 says:

    If nothing else I hope the Dubas hiring will shut up the advance stats nerds from pretending they’re better than MLSE management. I’ve come to terms with Cam Charron and Jeffler being extremely annoying.

  13. nordiques100 says:

    If Booth is the next Raymond, 19 goals, 45 points, then thats a good signing.

    If he doesnt work out, he can be waived and demoted and hardly be a cap hit to the team.

    I think Orr won’t be with the team and his contract can be buried with the Marlies without a cap hit.

    Their top 14 forwards IMO are:

    Kessel, JVR, Bozak, Kadri, Lupul, Clarkson, Komarov, Kontiola, Booth, Holland, Santorelli, Frattin, Ashton, Bodie.

    their top call-up will be Trevor Smith.

    If they have a deep desire for a tough guy, it will be Devane, McLaren or Orr. Not all 3 or even 2 of them. If one is needed, Ashton and Holland are the only ones eligible to be sent down without waivers. Bodie could also simply be waived and demoted.

    Abbott, Leivo, McKegg, Broll are others with NHL experience.

    The other Marlie forwards will be Carrick, Ross, Kozun, Biggs and maybe Brown, Rupert, though i think those 2 are eligible for being overage juniors.

    They have a few guys in college still. Gauthier and Verhaeghe will be their top junior players. Andreas Johnson will be in Sweden, he was the rookie of the year in the SEL. and then there is Nylander who is eligible to play anywhere.

    • leafs_wallace93 says:

      Looking at the changes we made I expect the Leafs to be worst, on key injury or two (which will eventually happen) will cripple this roster. Leafs probably over achieved for most of last season, I expect a better draft position as Florida, NYI, Calgary, Edmonton all got better this off season. Ottawa will probably fall hardest but Toronto will have a top five pick in 2015

      • toronto77 says:

        I don’t know if I agree that the leafs got better or worse. They sacrificed offensive forwards for power forwards. Out on D was Gleason and Gunnarsson and in was Robidas and Polak. Robidas is just as good as Gunnar but more experience and leadership to help Phaneuf and Polak can do what Gleason did but brings a lot of nastiness. I actually think this defence got a smudge better especially since Rielly and Gardiner are young and still developing and both could take their game to the next level. They lost Raymond’s goal scoring but gained Komarov’s toughness. Bolland you cannot really consider a loss because he rarely played on the team so it is hard to see what they lost.

        I think this team is the same but they are just less offensive and more tough.

        Though I agree that Fla, Buff, NYI, Cal, and Edm all got better I still think the leafs are better then them! Players like Kessel, JVR, Rielly, Gardiner, Bernier and Kadri to a lesser extent will keep the leafs in that 7th-12th range in the east. Each of those players has the ability to single handedly steal games if the rest of the team is not performing.

        I still do not think they are done, I think there will be more trades for them.

        • leafy says:

          I wonder if Palak is any good, or is he another Alexander Khavanov (complete and utter garbage who made Cory Cross look like a Norris trophy winner in comparison).

      • TmLeafan says:

        I would be shocked if we have a top 5 pick next year. Remember Kessel was on pace for like 111 points before he and the whole Leafs team hit a wall.

        We should have a top 5 pp.
        2 good goalies.

        Not saying we are going to be world beaters but man nobody in the East outside of Tampa improved.

        Rangers got worse,
        Sens got worse.
        Habs stayed the same.
        Philly stayed the same
        Washington stayed the same
        NYI got slightly better
        Florida got marginally better
        Carolina will be a trainwreck once again.

        • Gambo says:

          With a 4th line of offensively capable players who can actually skate going up against other teams 4th lines could win us quite a few games.

          I like the idea of a talented 4th lines, I just have no clue what the lines will look like.



          I think this is how I would have the lines right now. I really don’t know what Kontioli will be like, but if he’s garbage then Santorelli or Holland can replace him. I really wanted to see Ashton get an actual shot this year, but depth isn’t a bad thing. Hoping Franson stopped sniffing glue and Clarkson finds himself. Roster isn’t bad actually.

          It’s in Carlyle’s hands… Yikes.

          • LN91 says:

            I don’t like Carlye as well…But you cannot turn crap to treasure.

            If he does, he’s the greatest coach in the world. Roster is not the prettiest. The most important positions, Center and Defence, are underwhelming. Especially the centers.

        • Hard to say we got worse. Maybe a little. We lost Stralman, Pouliot and Boyle.

          Bolye was the biggest lost here as he was a warrior for us. Pouliot benefited from the line he was on. His IQ is absolutely horrible. Not a big loss there. And I’m not sold on Stralman being a consistent top 4.

          We brought in Lee, D. Boyle, Glass, Matthew Lombardi, and managed to sign out bigger RFAs. We actually gained speed this off-season and we were already a fast team. I’m not expecting Glass to have an every game role on our team.

        • lafleur10 says:

          the habs are much improved over the team from last year and better balanced with depth at forward ,defence and goal

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