Chip Alexander reports that Canes’ Eric Staal, Cam Ward not immune from trading block
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If the Leafs entered this conversation, it will probably involve all 3 of Gardiner, Kadri and the 8th overall pick.
I love Eric Staal and I think he would be perfect in Toronto.
That being said, I am not sure the Leafs would be willing to give that much up even though i would deem that to be on par with the market, and the fact the Leafs would easily get the best player in the deal.
I think a more realistic target IMO would be Jason Spezza. Yes, he is a Senator, the bitter Leaf rivals. However, with 1 year and 7 mil left on his deal, i honestly don’t think he will stay beyond that. So, a trade seems probable there. Toronto should get interested. I think Spezza would thrive here in a behind the scenes role after the top line.
Who can really trade for E. Staal for a rebuild package, have to spend salary back to Carolina. Imagine Phaneuf + Kadri or 8th overall is the best Leafs offer.
Spezza, Kessel, JVR, scary good offence, scary bad turn overs but I’d rather audition Spezza in that role than try to sign him next off season not having an idea how it plays out.
Think I’d rather see Spezza and Lupul paired together, but the Leafs blue line isn’t good enough to handle the patented Jason Spezza drop pass to no one.
Both will be on the roster someday.
Nick Ritchie or Jake Virtanen? No brainer, Virtanen…Not even a second-guess.
Both power forwards, both put up similar numbers…However, Virtanen is a year younger and not as a mature.
A couple of recent Leaf draft picks, that were one of the youngest in the draft, include Josh Leivo and Carter Verhaege. Look how they blossomed.
I do not want anything to Ritchie…He’s Biggs.
Ive seen Ritchie play and I like him. Better than Biggs. More passion in his game from what I saw. More hands.
But i would totally pick Virtanen over him. Why? because Virtanen, though more a winger, can play centre, and could eventually get moved there under the right development tutelage.
Ehlers is a skilled guy for sure, but I think at the end of the day the Leafs pick up a player with more size. And a centre preferably if he is there.
and say it came down to Tuch or Ritchie say, they’d pick the local guy. There isnt anything wrong with that. I think its better. I think there is a bit more of a wow factor being an Ontario guy and playing here. It may eat some guys up, but if we do it right, they can become actual good players here and survive the craziness of leaf nation.
How about William Nylander? I like him, although small.
again i would take him b/c he can play centre plus the wing.
I think the centre depth is so important. Avs are a good example. MacKinnon, O’Reilly, Duchene along with Stastny. You can find ways to play them all.
Centres can play wings, wings cannot play centre right?
exactly. we saw that with JVR experiment. didnt work at all.
forced the Holland trade, which isnt bad, but lets see if he’ll turn out to be a real NHLer.
Virtanen is polarizing more than a few scouts have him as low as 20. Expect him to drop like a rock.
Given the lack of clear put prospects could Nonis pick up another 1st and add two center prospects to the system. Take one at 8, then get a McCann, Ho Sang Tuch, Kempe with a mid first pick? Nonis as burned through a lot of late round picks and this is a year we shouldn’t be buyers based out the collapse. Could be good timing if Shanny is truly forward thinking.
Even trade down a couple of spots and use the assest to package a roster player for another 1st. Could find something great with a couple of picks between 10-20.
Depends on who really drops in the draft, always one that seems to bite others in the butt later.
Saad was one (I wanted him over percy), Fowler was another.
I don’t mind a risky pick like Nylander at 8…He’s Giroux like. I know you don’t like him, but he might have been the best player in the second-half of the season.
Nylander at 8 would be great, Richie and Fleury are the only players I’d really be disappointed with.
I would agree, I would add Ehlers…Know you like him, but does he really contribute to this squad at all?
Could replace Lupul from the top 6 when he’s no longer useful. Ehlers is another top 6 or bust kind of player. The timing could be right though, let him develop and put on some weight, then in a few years he could be a good top 6 player.
Leafs have a lot of bottom 6 guys coming up in the system, almost no top 6 guys. Might be time to go for a risky pick rather than playing it safe with another Gauthier.
I like him as a trade chip, so if the Leafs find themselves in a similar situation next year, they have something tangible to move up with, at worst a great prospect.
I’d like to a center or two to the system
Off topic, but fuckin’ R.A. Dickey. What a disappointment.
a knuckleballer can’t be your ace.
but at the end of the day, if the Jays can squeeze 14 wins and 200 plus innings, thats all you can ask for of him.
he’s not going to put up Doc Halladay numbers
Unless it’s Nolan Ryan, I’m never a fan of bringing in a pitcher in the twilight years of their career.
Tampa Bay: Stamkos, 24 years old.
Montreal: Galchenyuk, 20 years old.
Ottawa: Turris, 24 years old.
Florida: Barkov, 18 years old.
Buffolo: Reinhart/Bennett: 18/17 years old.
What do they all have in common? All under 25, all drafted within the top 3 and all in the Atlantic division.
All of the above are strong defensively, or will be at least. Toronto has Kadri who’s under 25, but he’s not great defensively and will likely stay a 2nd line center where the above will all be good 1st line centers(maybe Turris).
Should Toronto try to get Edmonton’s pick when Ekblad is drafted so they can draft one of Reinhart or Bennett? Depending on the price, I think so.
I don’t know what the leafs should do with the 8th overall pick. If Ekblad is gone in the top 2 then edmonton’s heart will be broken and may be willing to move that 3rd pick. I say we move up to the 3rd and grab Bennett or Reinhart, i’d prefer Bennett but we’ll grab which ever is available.
To Edm: Phaneuf, 8th overall pick(Perlini, Tuch, Ritchie)
To Tor: 3rd overall pick(Bennett, Reinhart)
To Edm: Phaneuf, Gardiner
To Tor: 3rd overall pick(Bennett, Reinhart)
If Ekblad is gone edmonton may be very incline to moving that pick and not just the leafs but many many teams will be all over the oilers trying to get that 3rd pick, the asking price will be crazy.
Bennett and Reinhart are those no.1 c’s that this team desperately needs and they may not be that hard to get, we are only 5 picks away, I wonder what it would take to move up.
If the leafs can’t grab the 3rd and end up keeping the 8th I would just move the 8th completely. I know teams have to keep 1st round picks but if the leafs should draft one of Ritchie, Tuch or Perlini it’s not like one of those guys will likely play in the NHL next season. I truly believe that the leafs should take the detroit red wing approach with one of those 3 forwards which is what they are doing with most of their young players. So if we draft one of those 3 forwards it may take 3-4 years to see one of them in a leafs jersey and honestly who wants to wait that long??? This team has been rebuilding for a long time and have some great young players already on the team in Kessel, JVR, Kadri, Rielly, Gardiner and Bernier. And even some more great players on the Marlies in Holland, Leivo, Broll, D’Amigo, McKegg, Verhaege, Biggs(who had a bad season but the potential is there), Percy, Finn, Granberg, Sparks, and don’t forget Connor Brown!!! There are many young players in the organization that are not that far away from cracking the leafs lineup and that 8th overall pick will be that much more further away. That 8th overall pick has the potential to bring in a great young player already in the NHL or if packaged with a roster player an amazing player.
Could the leafs trade Phaneuf and the 8th pick to Nashville for Weber? There are rumors that Weber wants out with the predators going into a retooling mode now with players like jones and forsberg.
That is just one idea, but either way I say we move that 8th overall pick, likely for a d-man and new captain.
I would much rather we find a way to have Phaneuf and Weber on a line. Kadri, Gunnarsson, 8th? Would that get it done?
I doubt it will work with the salary cap. We might have to include Clarkson and eat some of his salary for Weber and Phaneuf to both be on the team. If we add Weber does Phaneuf keep the C? I just think it would be easier for Phaneuf to get a fresh start somewhere else and the leafs getting a fresh start with a new captain. I believe that Phaneuf if part of the poison that is in that locker room that is refusing to play defensive hockey and leads to those infamous collapses. I think Rielly should be paired on the top D pairing with Weber and put Gardiner on the 2nd pairing and find a physical d-man to play with him, and the 3rd pairing play Gleason and perhaps Granberg. Let Gunnar and Franson go. That will shake the defense up a bit. In the last 3 season we had 3 epic collapses, 2 years ago the 18 wheeler, last year game 7 and this year another 18 wheeler. Gunnar, Franson and even Phaneuf were here for all 3 collapses and we should just move in a new direction.
No more mr. nice guy, we cannot keep some of these players that are holding us back. Look at Boston 3-4 years ago, they were leading a series 3-0 against philly and allowed them to come back and win the series, something that had not been allowed since the 1940’s or 1950’s I believe until Boston allowed Philly to do it in 2010, that was a major embarrassment! But they learned a lot from that experience and won the cup the following year! and have been one of the most dominant teams in the league since then. You would think that the leafs would learn something from that first 18 wheeler, but no it happened again in game 7, and after that embarrassment you think that they would learn from that but no, another 18 wheeler.
This team is not learning from it’s mistakes and you have to take a good look at some of the players that were here during all 3 collapses minus Kessel for obvious reasons and possibly Kadri because of his potential.
But you have to also look at Kessel seeing how he is arguably the best player on the team. He has bee great, but at the same time, he has been part of the problem too.
I think thats one of the big problems with the Leafs. Some getting free passes. Some getting the benefit of the doubt. Some being singled out solely thus leaving the rest or a large portion of the remaining team blameless.
I think Shanahan has a huge job to rectify that problem. Its going to be hard to do overnight thats for sure.
This is not an endorsement to trade Kessel or anything like that. But, its an endorsement for getting their top players to play better when it matters.
I personally believe none of the top guys the Leafs have, Kessel included, are willing to give it that extra to win. As much as the team needs harder players to play against, the main guys we have also have to be harder to play against. it didnt seem that hard for opponents to stop Kessel and the top line late in the year, and when that scoring dried up, so did the wins.
We can blame Dion and Randy all we want but at the end of the day, all the players and coaches and management and everyone were to blame here. Until they realize that there shouldnt be a divide in the room of who’s ok no matter what, and who should we throw under teh bus to make everyone else feel better, this team will never win, never succeed, never stop the 18 wheeler from going off the cliff.
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