Is Stuart done in Detroit?

Brad Stuart almost certainly has played his last game as a Red Wing, as he wants to play close to his family in San Jose, Calif. The Wings will need to know whether Nicklas Lidstrom wants to play another season by the end of June. Tomas Holmstrom may have played his last game. Hudler might be gone.

All of those decisions were ones management hoped not to even have to consider for a while longer, but that hope faded as the Wings’ offense was famished.

“We couldn’t score enough, it’s as simple as that,” Niklas Kronwall said. “And we gave them too many easy ones. It’s disappointing. Everyone in here believed something completely different than what the outcome was. It’s just empty right now.”

http://www.freep.com/article/20120421/SPORTS05/204210444/Nashville-2-Detroit-1-Early-exit-sounds-sad-note-for-aged-Red-Wings-in-Music-City


17 Responses to Is Stuart done in Detroit?

  1. toronto77 says:

    Now that Detroit is the first team eliminated do they get the 15th overall pick? For the first time in a long time, they could really use that pick. A team that hasn't really been built up with former 1st round picks, would really be wise to start using some, as even though they are arguably the best franchise of our generation, their old age really showed against a young team in Nashville. In terms of getting younger they already have two promising top 6 forwards in Nyqvist and Tatar, and with the 15th overall pick, if they can land a player like Gaunce Collberg, or Grigensons then that would be huge for their organization. I think Gaunce would be the best option for them, and I know I keep bashing Gaunce, but if the leafs have the 5th overall pick, Gaunce's name should never even come up in conversation, but at 15th overall would be a steal if the wings can get him, and MAYBE they can mold him into the next Holmstrom. In order for that to happen, Gaunce would have to jump into the NHL next season and Holmstrom would have to play one more season.

    If the Wings decide they need to start getting younger, then it would be wise to convince Holmstrom and Lidstrom not to retire to help with the organization's younger players. John Shannon mentioned an interesting point about IF Lidstrom decides to retire, and said no because of one reason only….The Winter Classic".
  2. 93killer93 says:

    They won't have the 15th pick.  They way it works is whatever playoff teams don't make the conference finals are placed 15-26 based on season stats.  So the highest they can pick is 19th, assuming none of Vancouver, New York, St Louis, Pittsburgh, Nashville, Philly or Boston make the conference finals.  They will likely pick around 22. 

  3. mojo19 says:

    If Stuart leaves as a UFA and Lidstrom retires then the Red Wing empire is finally coming down.

    Kronwall is still a stud on the back end but then it gets really thin. Ian White and Kyle Quincey are both pretty good, then there's Jon Ericsson… Ericsson does not suit the Red Wings high tempo game. He's constantly holding onto the puck for too long and making the wrong decision. Not a fan of the former last overall pick of the draft.
    And ya if Hudler leaves, maybe Holmstrom retires and so on… could be the end. I mean we've finally seen the Wings actually NOT have home ice, and then they bounce in 5 games. The tide is turning in the West. Still with Zetts, Dats, Franzen, still lots of good hockey players there so they could turn it around in a hurry. 
    Should be an interesting summer for Detroit anyways.
  4. reinjosh says:

    Are you sure? I'm pretty sure it was based on standings and by round. So if your kicked out in round 1, you can be placed between 15th to 22nd. Maybe I'm wrong and it just matters if you get to the conference finals. 

  5. reinjosh says:

    Maybe. If they got a guy like Suter to replace Lidstrom, they might not drop at all. 

    They have some pretty good kids too. Brendan Smith might be the heir apparent to Lidstrom. They've developed him very slowly and made him work for it. He's had 2 pretty good seasons in the NHL. He probably won't be a calm puck mover like Lidstrom or on Nicks level, but he's shown a ton of potential. He's potentially a Kronwall with higher offensive potential. 
    Nyquist has looked great in the AHL and once he starts to earn more than 12 minutes a game, he's going to be a guy they can count on offensively for the forwards. 
    I've learned after many years to not doubt the Red Wings. Holland almost always has contingency plans in place. 
  6. reinjosh says:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=obT7dtdXefc

    Suspendable? I'm not sure. Usually I'll fault a guy for putting his head down and following the puck (since thats been drilled into guys for years when they were growing up) but I sort of don't blame Boyle on this one. His head was facing forward with the rest of his body really. But I'm not sure Neil should be suspended either. I can't tell if there's contact to the head or not. 
    Also what do people think of the 25 games for Torres? To be honest, I think its too much. The hit wasn't that bad. It wasn't blindside as Hossa was clearly facing Torres (even if he didn't clue into the guy bearing down on him) but it was a little late and Torres did leave his feet. But 25 games suspendable? I think he got burned by his own bad rap. Yeah he's a past offender but 25 games? Too much. 
  7. mojo19 says:

    News Flash:

    There will never be a replacement, or "Next" Lidstrom.
    However I agree with what you're saying, they've got a couple guys ready to step in, but as the Red Wings start to go young, they introduce some unknowns.
    I'm already less impressed with the team now that Abdelkader, Helm, and Miller – the former in and out of the line up grinders have taken on a much larger role.
    Still, Detroit has cap space, and especially if Lidstrom does retire and if Stuart walks, they'll have money to burn. In that case they'll probably go aggressively after Nash or Iginla via trade, and target Parise, Semin, or Suter as their big UFA signing, and then maybe bring back Ray Whitney, or add a free agent like Ryan Smyth, Shane Doan etc. Some gritty veteran who would fit in with the old boys club we call Detroit.
  8. reinjosh says:

    Haha well obviously. I sort of assumed that was a given. I was more saying a replacement for his spot and some of what he brings. Very few players in hte history of the league have played defense as well as Lidstrom. 

    I'm interested to see what Holland will do. He's done a damn good job over the years. This could be his biggest challenge yet and I'd love to see what he can do to fix it and with the cap space he has. 
  9. mojo19 says:

    I'll tell you one thing. If he opts to go younger this summer and 39 year old Holmstrom doesn't wanna retire then Burke should make an offer on a 1 year deal, especially if we end up drafting the big Swede (Forsberg).

    We should also see if we can't deal someone for Dan Cleary. Burkey has talked about bringing in some veterans. Cleary is a stand up guy. He's everything we wanted in Colby Arsmtrong.
  10. reinjosh says:

    Apparently I missed the other thread. *facepalm*

  11. nordiques100 says:

    Outside of Suter, the next best blueliner is arguably Stuart. Thats not great, but I think he could help Toronto.

    I like the fact that he is a proven, shutdown defenceman who can skate and move the puck and even play on the PP. He is not like say Komisarek or Schenn who are fairly one dimensional.

    Stuart can play physical as well. I would love to see him paired with Gunnarsson and that would give Carlyle the more reliable shutdown pair rather than using Phaneuf in that role.

    Perhaps pairing Dion with Gardiner would be the top pair the Leafs have aspired to have since BB took the reigns as GM.

    I like too Stuart and his leadership. He is a cup champion and I think could help the Leafs dressing room.

    Its an option should the Leafs not be able to get Suter.

    On that note, it will be interesting to see what happens. I think outside of Nashville, Detroit is the leading contender for his services.

    But to me, BB has a ton to prove. Will he go after the biggest name free agent out there?

    Historically, the Leafs have only signed one top notch free agent in his prime and thats Cujo, way back in the late 90s.

    Belfour, Mogilny, Roberts, Nieuwendyk, they were all on the downside to their careers.

    Players like Jason Allison and Eric Lindros were pretty well done as NHLers.

    Players in the Burke era, Beauchemin, Komisarek, Connolly, were not the best free agents.

    Can he land the big fish? That's the big question. Burke has a lot to prove in this area.

    Suter is really who Toronto needs. He is the right guy to help Dion who needs it. I think it would take a lot of pressure off of Dion and arguably Suter would be the team's top defenceman.

  12. Steven_Leafs says:

    only the conference finalists automatically get picks 26-30, everyone else is based on standings. Likelihood, Detroit's pick will be around 23rd overall. Of course they traded that pick to TB so it is them that will select with it.

  13. mojo19 says:
    I'm with you 100%

    Stuart is a lot more mobile than Schenn and Komi. Brad Stuart is easily the 2nd best d-man available this summer. I would love him if we can't get Suter. I think Stuart will cost around $5 mil per year but would be worth it. I'd go 6 years $28.5 million ($4.75 hit)

    I want Suter, however I fear it will take an 8 year contract (or something like that) to land him and Burke will low ball him with a 5 year $30 million offer or something that won't even register as a top 5 or 10 best offer for Suter.
    I've heard that Burke targeted Talbot last summer but didn't want to go as high as 5 years like Philly did.
    Tomas Fleischmann was a target but they thought the money was a bit high ($4.5 mil) and that the term was too high (6 years). Well I think Fleischmann and Grabo are pretty comparable players and for the next 5 years the Cats will be paying TF a mil less than Burkie's paying Grabo.
    Scott Upshall it was both money and term. Whatever.
    And of course Brad Richards. Its said that the Leafs offer was a 4 or 5 year offer at under $7 mil per season. They had no chance. No one is doing the Leafs any favours. If Burke wants Suter he has to man up and be aggressive.
  14. Steven_Leafs says:

    tough to say, it looked very similar to the Letang hit that lead to a suspension.

    From what I could tell, Boyle turned for the shot but his head didn't drop (if it did it dropped no more than 2 inches, which means it would have been a high hit either way). I would say if Neil hit him 1.0 second or longer after the puck was off of Boyle's stick (and assuming the head was the principal point of contact) then suspend him, if not then IMO the hit was ok.

  15. reinjosh says:

    If I remember correctly, it was said that the Leafs offered Richards 6 years for 7 million a year.

    I would hope he offers something like 7 or 8 years. Maybe the 3 straight years of missing the playoffs for him will get him to back down on that particular no-go of his. 
  16. MystifoLeafs says:

    Cleary is nice but if you really want a bang up solid vet who preforms in the playoffs ask about Clowe.

  17. MystifoLeafs says:

    As long as we can free up 16 mill dedicated to the LACK we should be able to make some splash.

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