Kubina Making Big Bucks Production? Not So Much

Pavel Kubina should, for all the money he makes have at least 5 goals by now never mind the injury this guy has not been up to his money. So what does JFJ do I would say trade him here’s why………

First of all he is on the 2nd power play unit and gets passes from white and occasionally Kaberle(the best offencive defencemen in the league). He has had one good game defencivly and that was a game when he was covering ovechkin but the leafs simply walked all over them. He has struggled in the new NHL now that it is a little mans game and he can’t hook and hold anymore. He still sports a rocket shot from the blue line but hasnt found the back of the net. He also tends to pinch to try too hard to get goals and gives the other team a two on one or just a good rush.

Second of all he is payed bloodly 5 million dollars he deserves at tops 3 when he is producing. JFJ loves the vets so much that even though they are old NHL players he gives them ridiculous amounts of money.

Third of all he is behind Kaberle and Mccabe 2 half an hour a game guys he doesnt have a chance to earn his pay because of Kaberle and Mccabe.

Here are some possible trades:

Kubina+2nd rounder to columbus for Zherdev

Kubina to edmonton for cogliano and 3rd rounder

Kubina+2nd rounder to montreal for Higgins

comments????


17 Responses to Kubina Making Big Bucks Production? Not So Much

  1. Oley says:

    i would do it in a heart beat for zherdev i would even replace 2nd draft pick for a 1st. but whos gonna want his 5year 5million dollar contract?

  2. lukeleim says:

    I like all 3 trades but none of these 3 teams would want Kubina's big contract. I think giving him time he could eventually produce; definately not to the worth of 5 mil but produce enough to earn the fans respect hopefully. Other players I'd like to see go: Gill, Belak and to create some room up front, O'Neill & Suglobov. Suglobov could one day be a solid offensive player but he's already 24 years old and can't seem to crack the lineup on a regular basis. He may be more valuable to the Leafs in sense other teams could be interested in aquiring him.
    This year is slowing going down the tubes but it's early on in the season so they can easily get back on track.

  3. lukeleim says:

    Possible Transactions JFJ should think about:
    The Coyotes hold the second work Penalty Killing record in the NHL right now. Hal Gill is one reason why he is remotely valuable to the Toronto Maple Leafs. Morris who's contract is worth 3.9 mil skates well but doesn't seem to fit in the Coyotes system could turn things around playing in Toronto.
    – Hal Gill 2.05 mil, Nik Antropov 1.007 mil & Chad Kigler 1.2 mil to the Coyotes for Derek Morris 3.9 mil & Fredrik Sjostrom 750,000

    Jeff O'Neill has played well with the Maple Leafs this year and his contract is worth a modest 1.5 mil this year. He's put up decent offensive numbers which could be attractive to teams such as the New Jersey Devils who scored the second fewest goals in the NHL thus far; and his price will fit well with their cap problems.
    – Jeff O'Neill 1.5 mil, Alexsander Suglobov 550,000, Andy Wozniewski 475,000 & The Leafs' 3rd-round pick of 2008 to the New Jersey Devils for David Hale 550,000 & Jamie Langenbrunner 2.8 mil

    Pavel Kubina 5 mil, Wade Belak 675,000 & the Leafs' 2nd-round pick of 2007 to the Columbus Blue Jackets for Nikolai Zherdev 1.75 mil

    Sjostrom – Sundin – Zherdev
    Ponikarovsky – Wellwood – Tucker
    Stajan – Peca – Langenbrunner
    Battaglia – Steen – Pohl

    Kaberle – McCabe
    Morris – Colaiacovo(inj)
    Hale – White
    —————————
    Bell

    Raycroft
    Aubin

  4. lukeleim says:

    Possible Transactions JFJ should think about:
    The Coyotes hold the second worst Penalty Killing record in the NHL right now. Hal Gill is one reason why he is remotely valuable to the Toronto Maple Leafs. Morris who's contract is worth 3.9 mil skates well but doesn't seem to fit in the Coyotes system could turn things around playing in Toronto.
    – Hal Gill 2.05 mil, Nik Antropov 1.007 mil & Chad Kigler 1.2 mil to the Coyotes for Derek Morris 3.9 mil & Fredrik Sjostrom 750,000

    Jeff O'Neill has played well with the Maple Leafs this year and his contract is worth a modest 1.5 mil this year. He's put up decent offensive numbers which could be attractive to teams such as the New Jersey Devils who scored the second fewest goals in the NHL thus far; and his price will fit well with their cap problems.
    – Jeff O'Neill 1.5 mil, Alexsander Suglobov 550,000, Andy Wozniewski 475,000 & The Leafs' 3rd-round pick of 2008 to the New Jersey Devils for David Hale 550,000 & Jamie Langenbrunner 2.8 mil

    Pavel Kubina 5 mil, Wade Belak 675,000 & the Leafs' 2nd-round pick of 2007 to the Columbus Blue Jackets for Nikolai Zherdev 1.75 mil

    Sjostrom – Sundin – Zherdev
    Ponikarovsky – Wellwood – Tucker
    Stajan – Peca – Langenbrunner
    Battaglia – Steen – Pohl

    Kaberle – McCabe
    Morris – Colaiacovo(inj)
    Hale – White
    —————————
    Bell

    Raycroft
    Aubin

  5. lukeleim says:

    haha, ok these trades are rediculously unrealistic but pretty interesting proposals to say the least.

  6. Aetherial says:

    He will be hard to unload with that contract.

    … This is where JFJ is going to start looking bad, REAL bad.

    The Leafs will start to drop in the standings and they won't have room to sign their own free agents because they will be hampered by 11 million dollars of untradeble people or contracts on defense… where they also had their most promising youth.

    I know people have been happy with JFJ… like I have maintained all along, his moves are going to HURT for years to come.

    Just like I said right away last summer that Philadelphia's signings would hurt them.

    Just like I said right away last summer that Aucoin and Khabibulin signings would hurt them.

    I am no hockey genius. The fact is there are some very stupid GMs out there.

  7. Aetherial says:

    How about this…

    The Flyers Rathje retires or goes on some extended Long-term disability.

    The Leafs trade Kubina to the Flyers, because at least he is still a pretty good Mobile defenseman.

    In return, the Leafs take Kyle Calder + Dennis Gauthier (to balance salaries).

    Calder is unwanted in Philly, but I think he is still a good player. Gauthier is OK but not all that…

  8. LeafsLegacy says:

    the most you'll get from him is a 2nd line potiential winger

  9. BLUE_AND_WHITE says:

    To Toronto: Calder, Nedved, Esche
    To Philly: Aubin, Kubina
    Immediatly after the trade place Calder and Nedved on waivers. If they clear send them to the marlies. With 2 roster spots available call up Colaiacovo and Kronwall.

    To Toronto: Brylin, Rafalski
    To New Jerey: Pohl, Kubina

    To Toronto: Moreau, Tjarnqvist, 3rd round pick
    To Edmonton: Kubina

    To Toronto: Hamrlik, Amonte
    To Clagary: Kubina

    To Toronto: Ozolinsh, 3rd round pick
    o New York: Kubina

    One common asset of all the players the leafs would aquire is they have little value, and will become  UFA next season. (opening cap space to aquire a forward in the offseason). This would hurt the leafs this season, but help them in the long run.

  10. 92-93 says:

    a) trades proposed just dont make sense: REMEMBER, the leafs are handing over 5 million in cap space to these teams … and what are they getting return CAP WISE.

    b) too early to judge Kubina considering he just returning from injury and his ice time is gradually going up. but i do like to say to some of you leaf fans: TOLD YOU SO.

    c) he is making 5 million. no one is going to trade for him unless near that amount is coming back and that player is mediocre for what they are making.

  11. Aetherial says:

    Which is why I mentioned Calder… who is doing nothing in Philly and Philly has a LOT of problems on defense.

    I am not sure what if any other salaries would have to go the other way…

  12. mojo19 says:

    I don't like that trade. Gill is better than Morris. Is Sojstrom a big prospect or something? If not, keep Kilger and Antropov.

  13. 92-93 says:

    yeah i just read yours. that sounds fair enough. but this JFJ we are talking about. he doesnt realize his mistakes until very late if he realizes them at all. unless kubina is sitting below 10 pts by late-Feb, I dont see JFJ even TRYING to trade him. the way it works with Ferguson is that if Kubina has 11 pts by that time and has scored lets 3 pts in his last 5 games, he'll completely ignore any notion of trading Kubina.
    frustrating to say the least.

    more realistic is trading Gill believe it or not. Tucker is another option as is Antropov (who is producing and his value might be higher by the deadline). It would be great for the leafs to get rid of Kubina's huge contract and get two players combined for that kind of cap space (like you mentioned – Calder and Gautier), but JFJ just isnt that creative unfortunately.

  14. mojo19 says:

    I like it. A LOT. But is Rathje retiring?

  15. mojo19 says:

    First one, good.

    Second one, I think New Jersey is trying to resign Rafalski, doubt they'd go for it, but who knows.

    third one, good.

    fourth, good.

  16. mojo19 says:

    I have an idea also,
    -Keep Kubina
    -offer Antropov a 4 year contract extension worth about $6 million
    -get Sundin and Forsberg to do a buddy pact (a la kariya-selanne) in the offseason
    bench McCabe until he waives his no movement clause, then trade him for a draft pick and some average, low paid, decent defensman to clear cap space
    – Use some of money to sign a guy like Nagy, or Shanny in the offseason, or Ryan Smyth, and bring back Darcy.
    – Win stanley cup

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