Is Leafs captain Dion Phaneuf worth $7M a year?

Can the Maple Leafs afford to pay Dion Phaneuf $7 million US per season?

Can they afford not to?

While the two sides have “kicked tires,” according to a source familiar with the process — in other words, agreed to talk down the road — no formal discussions have taken place as of yet.

“Don’t read too much into it … yet,” the source said.

Phaneuf, 29, has a cap hit of $6.5 million this season. According to Sportsnet’s Nick Kypreos, he reported hearing the bar has been set at seven years for a total of $50 million.

Asked about negotiations, Phaneuf remained elusive — just like he usually is on the topic.

“I’m leaving that to my representatives at Newport Sports,” Phaneuf said on Tuesday. “That’s just the business part of the sport.

98 Responses to Is Leafs captain Dion Phaneuf worth $7M a year?

  1. mojo19 says:

    Defence UFA crop for this year:

    Dan Boyle (Righty)
    Dion Phaneuf
    Kimo Timonen
    Joni Pitkanen
    Brooks Orpik
    Adrei Markov
    Dan Girardi
    Willie Mitchell
    Marek Zidlicky (Righty)
    Derek Morris (Righty)
    Andrej Mezsaros
    Rusty Klesla
    Kyle Quincey
    Sami Salo
    Kris Russell
    Ryan Whitney
    Henrik Tallinder
    Matt Greene
    Matt Niskanen
    Tom Gilbert (righty)
    Ron Hainsey
    Hal Gill

  2. leafy says:

    How many of you would do Reimer for Yakupov? I know I wouldn’t.

    Even if Yakupov is my favorite hockey name since Zelepukin.

    • mojo19 says:

      I would do it. Get Yakupov out of Edmonton and watch him explode.

      These Oilers keep grabbing 1st overall picks and don’t improve. Bringing in Boyd Gordon and Andrew Ferrence, these are not impact veterans, they’re total role players. Not good enough.

      What Edmonton needs is a Sundin for Wendel Clark style trade, just like the eerily similar Nordiques. They need to change it up. Yakupov or Eberle should be moved out for a more veteran star.

      Speaking of those Weber rumours, that could be a good fit. Jordan Eberle and Ladislav Smid for Shea Weber or something. That’s just off the top of my head.

      • leafy says:

        True it might be a great long term trade, but I’m telling you, if the Leafs keep the Bernier-Reimer tandem, they will clean up big time in the regular season. Points galore.

        • mojo19 says:

          We have the best tandem in the division, if not the league.

          • lafleur10 says:

            i’ll take price and budaj over those 2 any day

            • mojo19 says:

              Price is a good goalie but a flake. Still I guess Reimer and Bernier haven’t exactly proven anything more than him, but Budaj kind of sucks dude. We’re talking about top tandems, you throw Budaj’s name in there? Get real, lafleur

              • mapleleafsfan says:

                I actually disagree. Budaj has been a damn solid backup the past little while. He’s won 10 straight regular season starts believe it or not and his numbers are great over that stretch. Price has proven to be a flake for sure, but he’s been lights out so far this year, and they have a damn good tandem. It’s really hard to say just because of Price’s need to flake whenever there’s pressure, but I would take Price on his game over most goalies in the league, and definitely both of ours.

                • mojo19 says:

                  Not me. No interest in Price or Fleury. They’re both super talented, but missing that certain something. I know Fleury won a Cup, not saying Price couldn’t as well, but on any given year these are big time chokers.

                  • lafleur10 says:

                    and reimer and bernier aren’t chokers? didn’t red light remier choke against th bruins last season in the playoffs? he had a 3 goal lead with 10 minutes to go …choked under pressure and bernier choked bigtime for the kings and lost his job to a stanley cup winning johnathan quick s

                    • mojo19 says:

                      One time – can’t label Reimer yet. No idea what you’re referring to with Bernier.

                      Price is what you call a proven choker. Time and time again he chokes.

                    • mapleleafsfan says:

                      Lol. Bernier was always the backup? There was no job to lose?

                      Fucale is a choker because he lost his job to Price!!!!!

              • lafleur10 says:

                price is better than both bernier and reimer so it irrelevant if he’s a flake bottom line is he’s the best canadian goaltender and will be the starter for team canada in sochi budaj is his backup and they are a tadem budaj’s stats right now are better than re

                • mapleleafsfan says:

                  So you can use stats right now to say Budaj is better. But you can’t use stats right now to say Lupul is better than Briere. You are such a homer it’s painful.

                  • lafleur10 says:

                    did you look at the numbers from both guys? lupul is no where near briere in career numbers briere has 662 points lupul has 352 points so you tell me who’s better / the numbers don’t lie dude lupul hasn’t ever scored 30 in a season and briere has had 4 30+ goal season i know it’s hard for you to admit but it’s right there for you to see with your own eyes that’s not being a homer that s stating facts

                    • mojo19 says:

                      Briere is what 7 years older than Lupul? Of course he has more career numbers. Look at the last 3 seasons or get a time machine.

                    • mapleleafsfan says:

                      Nikolai Kulemin has more 30 goal seasons than Galchenyuk. Therefore he’s better. Look at the stats, the stats don’t lie!!

                      See how that works? It doesn’t.

                      Answer this. Would you trade Briere straight up for Lupul?

                • lafleur10 says:

                  your an idiot fucal didn’t lose his job to price he was sent back to junior because he wasn’t ready bernier did lose the job in la.a he was drafted in the 1st rd pretty high i think and couldn’t handle the job there and lost it to quick

                  • lafleur10 says:

                    galchenyuk is only in his second year and already he’s twice the player kulemin is but yeah he has better stats and they don’t lie but it’s the same arguement you made about lupul and briere i proved he was better by posting their numbers the stas tell the story like my arguement with mojo over pacioretty and van reimsdyk i said he was better and proved it i didn’t say ever that van reimsdyk wsn’t good ,all i was saying that pacioretty was the better player and he couldn’t admit it so i used the numbers to prove my point that he is

                    • mapleleafsfan says:

                      The whole point is numbers don’t show the full picture. Briere in his prime was a great player. Briere now is not, and isn’t anywhere near as good a player as Lupul. You can’t throw in career stats to show who’s better. It’s only present numbers that’s relevant.

                      Obviously Galchenyulk is far better than Kulemin, I was jsut using the way you’ve argued it to prove a point. Kulemin is not, and never will be better than Galchenyuk, but his career stats for now are better (which means absolutely nothing).

                  • mapleleafsfan says:

                    I was using your logic to counter your argument again. Of course Fucale didn’t lose the starting job to Price. Neither did Bernier lose it to quick. Quick was the starter when Bernier became ready. And not winning the job against a cup winning Conne Smythe trophy winning goalie is hardly choking. No goalie in the league was taking Quick’s job then.

                    • mojo19 says:

                      lafleur, you’re a nut. I can’t believe you didn’t pick up on what he was doing with those examples. They weren’t legitimate arguments at all. They were manipulative stats. Get a clue, bro.

                    • lafleur10 says:

                      toy can throw career numbers into it because that’s how you telll who is the better player overall yeah i agree they don’t tell the entire story ,but they tell 90 5 of it and when you have numbers like briere does compared to luiupul over the course of their careers it’s hard to argue that lupul is better,yeah the last 3 years briere has been on the downside of his career and wan’t what he was 3 years ago but to say he’s btter when the stats say different tell who is better same with pacioretty vs vanreimsdyk both are very good players and power forwards but right now pacioretty is better and has the edge over van reimsdyk

                    • mapleleafsfan says:

                      I’m talking about right now. Not careers. What don’t you understand? Yes, Briere has had a more successful career than Lupul. But Lupul right now is much, much better than Briere.

                      Scott Gomez has more career points than Kessel. Still not a trade you make. How is this hard for you to understand. This all stemmed from who has the better wingers. Just because one of your wingers was fantastic in 2007, doesn’t mean he is still a solid addition now. Jeez.

      • lafleur10 says:

        if the oilers land a goaltender they will turn the corner dubnyk is terrible and they don’t have much coming in the sysytem either your right mojo it will cost them yakupov or eberle for that goaltender,but when they finally get him look out that team will be contenders

        • mapleleafsfan says:

          Their blue line is god awful too. When Ference is your best D, you have serious problems.

          • mojo19 says:

            Ya Ferrence is a great #4, but not a top pairing guy by any stretch. Smid is a solid 2nd pairing guy, Nick Schultz is another decent #4, and Justin Schultz is a promising player but not even close a top pairing guy at this stage.

            So they have a plethora of decent #4’s, but no one to carry the load.

          • lafleur10 says:

            just schultz is theier best blueliner smid is solid but they don’t have much after that

    • leafmeister says:

      I’d do it for Nugent-Hopkins. I’d offer quite a few pieces to get that done.

  3. mojo19 says:

    Calgary is undefeated at home so far this year (Shootout loss is a tie in my books). Tonight the Leafs will hand Calgary their first loss at the Saddledome.

    I’m predicting a 6-1 Leafs win.

  4. mojo19 says:

    Phaneuf played like a $7 million dman in that first period. Great game so far for Dion.

  5. mojo19 says:

    Wasn’t pretty but 10-4-0 is a hell of a record.

    Bernier and Reimer have been amazing.

    What do you guys think of Clarkson so far? Gotta love his tenacity, but he’s got a bit of a Beauchemin syndrome, going all out all the time. We can’t have him taking 2-4 minor penalties every game, but if he tones it back a bit and picks his moments, you gotta love what he brings.

    And he actually has some very good skill. That toe drag play that led to the Mason Raymond winner was a thing of beauty, and it started back in the Leafs end with a Clarkson shot block.

  6. LN91 says:

    Colborne played really well tonight, I hope he keeps it up because the points wills start coming.

    • toronto77 says:

      Ya, that was a stupid trade for a 4th round pick. Don’t make that trade and don’t resign Bozak and you have Kadri in no.1 C, Bolland no.2 C and Colborne as no.3 C, which would not be too much to ask for Colborne in his first year in the NHL.

      • nordiques100 says:

        he was as good as he was going to be here.

        the Flames are a better fit for Colborne because of where they are (sort of rebuilding).

        He is not better than Bozak.

        • mojo19 says:

          Colborne is certainly not better than Bozak, but I agree that given the cap implications we would have been better off letting Bozak walk and rolling the dice on Bolland and Kadri taking on bigger responsibilities with McClement and Colborne as the 3rd and 4th liners.

          I wouldn’t have even hated Bozak quite as much on a 1 or 2 year deal, but 5 years at that cap hit, it just looks so bad.

    • realistic_leafs_fan says:

      Clarkson has only had 1 minor penalty before tonight, so I don’t think the penalties are a problem.. This is Clarkson, I don’t think he is playing any different than he normally does. He is a much better skater and has more skill than most have been giving him credit for. He is doing what we need him to. He is still learning his new linemates and system. He will start to put points up as he gets more comfortable. I am very happy with his play so far.

    • mojo19 says:

      Colborne had a great first period, then went kind of quiet, but ya he’s a good player.

  7. mojo19 says:

    Hey guys, this 10-4 start is huge. Even if we’re doomed to not keep up this pace –

    If we can go a reasonably modest 34-28-6 from here on out, we can finish with 94 points which should be good to make the playoffs for sure. This head start we’re off to is huge.

    Can’t wait to be a legitimate buyer at deadline as well. Not that I want to get too far ahead of myself.

  8. realistic_leafs_fan says:

    The Edmonton conversation is what I have believed about Edmonton for awhile…So, I was thinking of what Calgary needs(future players), Edmonton needs(Veteran D and veteran top 9 forwards) and what Toronto needs(move Liles,clear cap space top 4 RHD, bottom 6 guys).
    Just for fun, Here is a complicated one.LOL

    To Calgary
    Liles, Yakapov, Percy, Eager

    To Edmonton
    Wideman, Glencross, Kulimen, 2014 1st(Calgary), 2014 3rd(Toronto)

    To Toronto
    Petry, Giliardi, R. Jones

  9. leafy says:

    I’m completely at a loss to explain how the Leafs are almost always out-shot every game, but still manage to win.

    In all my years of watching hockey, I can’t remember this ever happening. The Leafs did it last year and are doing it again.

    How are the Leafs managing to sustain it? Obviously outstanding goaltending and opportunistic scoring are the drivers. But what has me stumped is how the Leafs have managed to sustain it for so long.

    Hard to believe you can go 4 playoff rounds like this, so hopefully the Leafs find a way to change the territorial play of their games as the season progresses. The added experience of the younger D will be key I think.

    • mojo19 says:

      Sometomes good teams find a way to win.

      Also, all stats are situational. Think of that Edmonton game. While up 4-0 in the third we gave up tons of shots from the outside and hardly got any shots on goal. But we were never in any real trouble. The shots can sometimes be misleading.

      A Carlyle team that is consistently winning and defending leads is going to give up a ton of shots, but not be in any real doubt. This system does require goaltending to bail you out from now and then, but its similar to the Devil’s in the trap days. It’s not about possession driving the way.

      A similar style of coach is Barry Trotz. For years he’s been giving inflated stats to his goalies. Dan Ellis has led the league in sv% and Chris Mason looked like a stud one year. But neither of these guys could come close to replicating these numbers anywhere else.

      That’s because Trotz sits back and plays a trap style similar to what Carlyle has done here. These systems do not incorporate shot totals as a good indicator of how the games actually played out.

      Having said this, we need to develop stronger cycles and there are some alarming numbers in the advanced stats against us. Our record is inflated, but were better than the advanced stats would indicate.

      Sure we’ll come back to earth a bit, but we are also a young team, we could still improve as the season goes on and somewhat sustain our record. Especially with this tandem in goal.

      • realistic_leafs_fan says:

        That’s all true mojo, but we are being constantly outshot 15-4 in the first period before any protecting the lead is happening as well.
        To me, puck possession is huge. If you don’t have it, your chasing it, which leads to more penalties against. It also wears down your defence when playing in your own end too much like we have. It’s not the shot totals as much as the lack of puck possession that lead leads to the shot totals.
        Odds are, if we keep this up, something will eventually dry up and cause a losing skid. Whether it’s timely saves, timely scoring, key blocked shots, the good bounces etc. it is not likely this can continue if the Leafs expect to keep winning.
        The minutes our D are playing right now are extremely tough minutes as they are constantly defending. This is partly why Gardiner and Ranger for instance have looked so bad at times. We need to start controlling the puck more and wear the other team down and players like Gardiner and Ranger will start to look better.
        Side note- Ranger has been fine and improving fairly steadily. He is being paid $1mil not $3mil+. Relax guys. He has a great stick, decent size and is a decent passer. Give him some time. At $1mil he is good value and one of our more physical D-men. Whether he ends up a 6-7 guy is fine, but Liles will not be an improvement over Ranger. We have enough non-physical D-men. Removing one of more physical guys for another skater is not the answer.IMO

        • leafy says:

          I can’t put my finger on it, with regards to puck possession. Is it because of the D or because of the forwards? Maybe both I suppose.

          They just don’t seem crisp coming out of the zone, and often get pinned in their own end.

          There are exceptions though, like the 3rd period of the Pittsburgh game. The Leafs played really well that period. If they play like that most of the time, they’ll be okay.

          • realistic_leafs_fan says:

            What I see Leafy is very little down low(faceoff circles and lower) pass support in our own end. D puts the puck up the wall and wingers have no choice but to just chip it past the pinching D because the centre is nowhere to be found for a short pass or opposite winger is not breaking to the middle of the ice.
            If the D has some time to move the puck, the forwards are all outside the blueline waiting for a stretch pass…and people wonder why Franson tries so many.
            Forwrads are not coming out as a unit on too many occasions, so we are left to dump it out and just give the puck back. Or a turnover results from a bad pass from a D because they were left with very few options to start with.
            The D are not playing great, but the forwards are not helping.

      • leafy says:

        Yeah sorry Mojo, I agree with realistic_leafs. Getting outshot on EVERY game is highly unusual for a winning team. I think it’s because of puck possession being Toronto’s downside.

        Also, New Jersey during their hey days use to outshoot opponents almost every game. the exact opposite of the Leafs.

        I don’t want to be negative, because they are winning and that’s what counts. But I’m thinking of hockey in May right now. I think the Leafs need to fix this if they want a long playoff run.

        • doorman says:

          I have seen monkey shit fights at the zoo more organized then these guys in the offensive zone and off of face offs. i love that they are winning, but live by the sword die by the sword, eventually it will cost them.

          • mojo19 says:

            I’m not saying there isn’t room for improvement, but looking at the numbers and watching this team play, it doesn’t quite add up.

            I agree, we’re going to need to get off to better starts and play a full 60, or else we’re gonna have those games like we had against Columbus or Carolina, where we face a hot goalie and lose to a beatable team. We’re not gonna get those JVR shorties on Ramo style goals every game. So there has been some luck.

            But sticking with that goal as an example, it wasn’t all luck. It was capitalizing on a Flames team that weren’t skating back hard through centre. McClemenent and JVR made a couple nice passes and Phaneuf jumped into the play (well aware of the clock) which was a perfect decoy and created separation between the last defender and JVR, allowing JVR to have a clear shot at the goal. Ramo should have had it, but the manufacturing of that goal was hardly “luck”.

            If we can clean up some of our errors, we’ve definitely proven to have some serious offensive weapons. We have arguably the best wingers in the entire NHL.

            • lafleur10 says:

              i wouldn’t say that or go that far i think the habs have as good or better wingers but your group is better than what you had in the last few years.i’ll put our wingers up against your any day of the weak

              • mojo19 says:

                Galchenyuk and Gallagher not even close to Kessel and JVR.

                Briere and Gionta, not as good as Lupul and Clarkson.

                Bourque and Leblanc maybe similar to Raymond and Kulemin.

                Prust, Moen, Parros vs Orr, McLaren, Ashton is basically a wash and these guys don’t play huge minutes.

                Overall, Montreal does have really solid wingers, and you guys are strong down the middle too, but our wingers are definitely better overall.

                • mapleleafsfan says:

                  No kidding. Maybe in a few years when Galchenyuk hits potential (but he’ll be a C by then), but for now there’s just no way. We have three wingers at PPG or more, with Raymond not far off (not that he’ll maintain this pace I think).

                  The habs only have two players even close to PPG, and neither of them are wingers. I mean Mason Raymond has more points than any Habs wingers. Not a knock on the habs, they have a solid young bunch, but the Leafs wingers are some of the best in the league. Maybe only behind Chicago, Boston, SJ?

                • lafleur10 says:

                  pacioretty is better than jvr and that’s a fact no disputing that galchenyuk is too by a mile and it’s not even close kessel has the edge on galcheyuk and pacioretty ..gallagher is agureably better than jvr too briere is better than lupul and the numbers back it up especially his playoff numbers gionts is not as good becuase he’s lost a step prust is better than most of the wingers you have bournival too is going to be a very good one bourque is solid prust plays huge minutes and can play on any line same with you said we are probably better down the middle and on defence

                  • mojo19 says:

                    Pacioretty is not as good as JVR. Maybe in the regular season its similar, but JVR is a proven playoff stud.

                    I called your team getting hammered by the Senators last year because you’re too soft. Guys like Gallagher, Pacioretty, Plekanec, Gallagher, Leblanc, these are not a great mix for the playoffs. You could get use from 1 or 2, or maybe 3 of these guys, but a whole team full of them is just not a winning recipe when the whistles start to get put away.

                    Ottawa wasn’t even a tough team, but compared to the habs they looked like Boston.

                    • lafleur10 says:

                      hahaha a proven playoff yeah o.k. check the numbers for the regular season and you’ll see it’s not even closse jvr hasn’t even had a 30 goal season yet pacioretty has way more points than him the numbers don’t lie he’s a better player why can’t you admit that?
                      and i remember your team leading by 3 with 10 minutes left in game 7 and hoking! so much for the playoff stud!

                  • mapleleafsfan says:

                    There is so much wrong with this I don’t even want to get into it. Briere better than Lupul? LOL. Ya, maybe in 2007. He’s a standout all-star for the habs so far.

                    • lafleur10 says:

                      look at his stats and compare them to briere’s and when you do come and talk to me then

                    • mapleleafsfan says:

                      I am. He has 2 points this year. Lol. Lupul has been PPG since being a Leaf. No GM in their right mind would trade Lupul for Briere and his awful contract.

                      By your logic, you’d rather have Heatley than Galchenyuk. Look at the points man, the points speak for themselves!

                • lafleur10 says:

                  pacioretty is better thsn jvr

                  • leafs_wallace93 says:

                    Just like two years ago when you said Gionta was a better pick up than Kessel.

                    Ignore the fact no GM would trade JVR for Pacioretty.

                    Same old Habs homering.

                    • lafleur10 says:

                      maybe nonis wouldn’t but 28 other gm’s would pacioretty is the better player end of story look at the stas and you’ll see for yourself

                    • leafs_wallace93 says:

                      JVR was a 2nd overall pick, Max was a discarded Maple Leaf pick shipped off to San Jose, ok stats boy.

              • leafy says:

                The Leafs are the highest scoring team in the East, Lafleur. And second highest overall after San Jose, who played unreal hockey in the first month.

          • leafy says:

            Unfortunately I haven’t seen any monkey shit fights to draw any comparisons. haha

            • doorman says:

              Well that’s what you tube is for right? lol, but if not just picture them next time you watch us try and clear the zone lol

              • mojo19 says:

                We’re not so bad at clearing the zone. Could be better, but I think the problem is that once we clear we turn it over at the oppositions blue line. Or we dump and don’t chase. We get the puck then we give it right back.

                Kind of like a football team with great defence, we just keep getting it back and punting, and then bam – one big play and we’re winning.

    • toronto77 says:

      I think the return of Fraser will help a lot. Though he is only a 5th or 6th d-man, Fraser adds a certain element that the others don’t.

  10. TmLeafan says:

    One thing I don’t hear people paying a lot of attention to is how this Leafs team is shaping up to be well built for the playoffs.

    JVR,Lupul, Bolland, Kessel have all shown in their careers to be beasts in the postseason. Clarkson does not have a lot of playoff experience but he plays the type of game suited for the playoffs as well. It is still early but we have been getting the best goaltending in the league early on another key to going far.

    I bet other teams have noticed this and if we are able to improve defensively we will be a tough matchup for anybody including Boston and Pittsburg.

  11. leafs_wallace93 says:

    Again for the advanced stats zealots, Paul Maurice’s Leafs would consistently out shoot their opponents but winning corsi doesn’t count for a damn thing.

  12. mapleleafsfan says:

    Downie for Talbot??? What?!?!?! That is absolutely god awful for the Avs. I would have upped that for sure on the leafs end. Adding another Center too. Wow. Fleeced.

    • Gambo says:

      It doesn’t seem too fair at first glance, but there might be more to it than we think. Downie is kind of crazy, maybe he’s not meshing well in the dressing room. Plus he’s an upcoming ufa and Talbot has 2 years left at below a 2m cap hit. Talbot is a guy they want in the playoffs and he brings leadership to a very young team. As an Avs fan i’m not crazy about it, but I understand it.

    • mojo19 says:

      I disagree. Max Talbot does a lot of things really well. When Jagr left Philly he called Talbot “the most underrated player in the NHL.” I would rather have Steve Downie, but he’s going UFA, the Avs probably figured they wouldn’t be able to make the cap number work with Downie going forward, and they want to be in a win now mode. They also will be looking at moving Statsny or letting him walk after the year and Talbot is a very versatile player who can play any forward position and he’s signed for 2 more seasons at a very reasonable $1.75 million cap hit.

      • mapleleafsfan says:

        He still would have been available for much less than Downie. Downie is a beast. Hits like a truck, defends teammates and can put up points. Hell, if they can’t resign him, flip him for a first + at the deadline and then send a 2nd to Philly for Talbot. It’s just bad asset management.

        • mapleleafsfan says:

          Also why mess with chemestry. He’s on the first line of the top team in the NHL right now. I guess who knows what’s going on behind the scenes, but Downie definitely seems like a team guy.

          • mojo19 says:

            I heard a rumour that Downie needed to go. They didn’t want him in that dressing room. Who knows? He’s been traded a lot so far in his career could be a head case.

            Then you bring in a guy like Talbot who’s just going to be that team guy you want.

            I hear what you’re saying, from a talent stand point it does seem a bit lopsided, but Talbot is a top end bottom-6 forward which has to count for something, and there’s no shortage of offence in Colorado. Maybe they wanted to get more minutes for Stastny, Tanguay, etc.

            • mapleleafsfan says:

              I think it’s the only explaination, he must have been causing dressing room problems or seriously clashed with Roy.

              Man, I’d be sweating if I was an Avs fan. Not that any of them could have expected to be this good, but with Downie gone, and Varlomov potentially gone too. That’s a big hit. Giguere’s been really solid, but it’s not like he’s going to put up .950 save % all year. And that awful D has to come back down to earth soon. Would suck if they fell off now; too good a start to finish dead last and grab a top pick, but could slip to a bubble team pretty quick.

              If they were going to move Downie, I’m actually surprised it wasn’t for a Dman. Maybe send him to Colombus for Nikitin or something. Just seems weird to go for a Center when you have Stastny, ROR, Duchene and Mack (ROR is playing well on the wing, but is a really solid C too).

              Can’t argue Talbot is a solid Vet presence, but they do have that in Tanguay already.

  13. doorman says:

    Ok, now Philly did reacquire him, but this is the 3rd time Downie has been trade, just saying

  14. leafs_wallace93 says:

    Ok, because I’m food obsessed I’d like to make the case for Dion Phaneuf as Double Big Mac vs the calorie/macronutrient count that is the cap. Now Dion is all good for you but he’s got some carbs and protein good stuff though a bit heavy on fat however the point isn’t say to compare him to a whooper or JBC for Wendys because it’s not on the menu. It’s just about fitting the meal under your count while balancing what else you have to get in, say your Bolland, Franson, Gardiner, i.e. clean foods.

    No contender has a meal plan of just clean food, you can’t win or bulk on clean food. Fan fetishizing being lean on the cap miss the point of what you have to do to be a contending team. Do we can to rebuild/go on a cut and lose the strength we’ve built over the last few seasons or will be too fat and need to do a mini cut in losing our number one defenseman?

    The cap will rise, the Leafs have buyouts and traded cap space coming available. I’d love to see JML traded or bought out or Bozak traded. It’s simply about making some room to fit some junk food in Dion.

    • mojo19 says:

      hahaha, interesting analogy.

      Listen, we’re obviously better off with Dion, cap aside. But if it comes down to Bolland and McClement walking because we give Dion $7.2 million x 8 or something, and can’t dump Liles (if he’s bought out it will still be roughly a $2.5 million cap hit x4 years, not looking forward to that useless loss of cap space.) Then I’d have to say let Dion walk.

      If we can keep this whole core in tact and still have room to give the appropriate raises to our key young players like Gardiner, and bring in some outside help (ie. a veteran blue liner via free agency/trade) then that would obviously be ideal.

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