Leafs’ Kadri now quiet on contract talks

Whether it’s because a new contract is closer or he’s skipping the start of Maple Leafs training camp a week Monday, Nazem Kadri is now keeping mum about money.

Asked on Thursday for an update on talks on Thursday at the practice rink where 15 Leafs and Marlies have been working out, the usually glib Kadri sent out a club intermediary who politely said the young Leafs centre was taking a vow of silence on the topic “until the deal gets done.”

Kadri did relay that “negotiations are continuing and the lines of communication are open”. Discussions seemed to stagnate in August, amid word the Kadri camp wanted multi-year elite-player money with the Leafs having less than $5 million to sign him along with restricted free agent defenceman Cody Franson.

http://www.torontosun.com/2013/08/29/leafs-kadri-quiet-on-contract-talk


109 Responses to Leafs’ Kadri now quiet on contract talks

  1. leafs_wallace93 says:

    Seeing how Calgary is in a top rebuild with a ton of cap space why not just ship a 2nd round pick with Liles for one of Calgary’s healthy scratch forwards or bluliners?

    Calgary is really thin on the blueline and could actually use Liles.

    • realistic_leafs_fan says:

      I think the only way Liles gets moved is if we eat a good chunk of his contract…up to $1.5 mil per season.

      Glad to hear Kadri is now keeping his mouth shut. That was a bad move on his part to say he is doing all he can and is being reasonable with numbers and taking the cap into consideration and now it’s up to the Leafs. That leads me to believe he is still asking for $4+. Kadri has always seemed to have a problem with attitude and speaking his mind. Looks like someone told him to “shut it”.lol I hope he starts to grow up.

      As for Franson, I am not for moving him, but I would if the deal was right, same goes with Kadri really.

      Here’s a deal for each player that could allow signing the other and still help all teams involved in the trades.(of course that’s subject to opinion.)lol

      Franson trade option;

      To Washington
      Franson, Kulimen, Percy
      To Toronto
      Carlson, Chimera

      Leafs get a possible RHD partner for Phaneuf. Carlson, who is still a bit of work in progress, skates well and has some offensive upside. He is solid defensively and could be the long term shut-down guy we have been searching for. Chimera adds speed and leadership to the third line helping take some of the loss of Kulimen. Leafs take on $2.9 mil in cap hit but now would only have Kadri left to sign.

      Caps get Franson with his size and offensive ability. They would have the cap room to sign him by reducing salary by $2.9 mil. Franson and Green could be a deadly PP tandem. Kulimen upgrades their top 9 with good two-way play and Percy adds a quality Offensive D prospect for the future.

      Kadri trade option;

      To St. Louis
      Kadri, Gunnarsson
      To Toronto
      Berglund, Polak, Cole

      Leafs would use up about $3.7 mil of their cap space in this move and would have to make another smaller move to be able to sign Franson. They get Berglund who is a more proven centre than Kadri and would easily fill the number two spot…maybe even number 1. He has good size and extremely talented. Polak gives the Leafs a solid defensive RHD who could fill a 4-6 spot. Cole is a solid skating, yet still developing LHD with shut-down abilities. Toronto’s overall D would improve being Phaneuf, Gardiner, Franson, Polak, Ranger, Cole and Fraser.

      St. Louis gets Kadri and all his talents plus the cap relief to sign both Kadri and Pietrangelo. Kadri could fit in on the wing or centre in St. Louis top 9. Gunnar would make their D one of the best in the league with Piet, Shattenkirk, JBO, Jackman, Gunnar and Leopold.

      Liles is still the obvious choice to move, but Nonis will have to be willing to eat a good chunk of contract to make that move happen. The Islanders could really use him and have a ton of cap space, but it is the Islanders.

      • leafs_wallace93 says:

        I’m actually pretty happy with our line up (exception being the glaring need to upgrade Bozak) if we can move Liles, that’s why I’m ok with parting with a 2nd to get it down. Really it’s the kind of deal we all hoped Burke/Fletcher would do early in his Leaf tenure to ‘buy a pick’ at the beginning of the would be rebuild. I’m sure now that the shoe is on the other foot people will suggest this type of deal as laughable.

        Long term Phaneuf, Franson, Gardiner, Reilly looks like an affordable top four with Gunnerson as a stop gap while Gardiner and Rielly develop. For that reason I’m hoping Nonis holds off the trade market.

  2. LN91 says:

    Kadri needs better management. He’s asking for money that more proven stars have received and we don’t know where his talent is at right now or production level.

    He was unreal in a shortened season and it was a breakout campaign…But that doesn’t mean that’s where his talent level is at right now. That’s why he should be taking a ‘Bridge Contract’…Or in other words, a ‘show me’ contract.

    Also, like Kadri had a breakout season last year…For all we know, Colborne can have one as well. If he does, the longer Toronto can wait.

    I don’t know…The kid’s playing with fire a bit.

    Franson, on the other had, does deserve between the 3 and 4 range for sure.

    • leafs_wallace93 says:

      Since when do agents or players care about what they’re in reality worth? That’s not how things work or at the very least fans have a skewed perception of what a player is worth. Kadri can easily get Henrik money and he’s a bigger priority than Franson given (to borrow a phrase) his position.

      Is Crawford worth 6 x 6? In this new CBA everyone gets paid.

      • realistic_leafs_fan says:

        Crawford. I don’t get that contract, and yes, many players seem to overvalue themselves just as much as some GM”s(or fans) overvalue certain players.
        Kadri could get Henrique money on the open market, but not likely in Toronto.
        Toronto’s cap situation is much different than that of NJ and Nonis just committed to Bozak and Bolland. I think people are overlooking that Nonis committed to Bozak at $4.2 long term and brought in Bolland at $3.375 with the apparent intention of giving him the opportunity to earn more ice than he played in Chicago.
        Along with the “show me you belong” 1 year deal given to Colborne, it doesn’t look like the Leafs brass are convinced Kadri has proven he can play top 6 minutes and produce. I think it also shows that they have had no intention of giving him Henrique money or term, and I can’t see them changing their thinking just because Kadri may hold out.
        As LN91 mentioned above…what has Kadri really proven?
        Prior to last season he had 19pts in 51 NHL games. Last year was great. 44pts in 48 games, but as we know, struggled some as competition got tougher.
        The difference between Kadri and Henrique as far as proving themselves is actually quite large. Henrique has played two seasons averaging over 18 mins of ice each season. He is better on face-offs than Kadri as well. Henrique get a Bozak type deal because he has proven he belongs in, and can produce at the NHL level as a second line centre. Including 13 pts in 24 playoff games his rookie season.
        Henrique only made $1mil per season the last two seasons while Kadri made $1.7 last season, Kadri’s first “full” season. Kadri will likely put up about 40-50pts this season if given second line minutes and playing with the top 6 wingers Toronto boasts. If he can prove he can do that, he will get paid. Anywhere from $2.3-$2.6 on a 1 year deal or $3 per on a two year deal is more than reasonable right now and he should realize that.
        Franson’s loss to the Leafs could be huge(unless Ranger has completely re-gained his form, than that will help). Franson is one of the few RHD we have and obviously our best RHD. The guy has never had under 20 pts a season in 4 seasons and only been a minus player once in his career. A(-1) in 57 games, which was the best of all Leaf defencemen, on our horribly coached 2011-12 team.
        What I don’t get Wallace, is one minute you say Franson is easily replaceable, then you say he is in our long term top 4. How is a projected long term top 4 D-man easily replaceable(which you have wrote)?
        If Franson gets moved, we will sorely miss his patience with the puck and how easily he tends to move it out of our end. We will also miss his size and shots from the point that he typically gets through. Franson is not easily replaceable imo and we will regret moving him if that’s the case.

        • leafs_wallace93 says:

          Obviously I’d like to keep Franson 4 x 4 or either RFA is fine with me. Just saying finding a top four blueliner like Franson is a lot easier than finding a two center.
          Again I stress you can use the picks you’d get for Franson to trade for a Frason like talent. You’re not going to land a Kadri for those picks.

          What has Kadri proven? 44 points for a player his age in an 82 game season is impressive, why collectively complain about a center then marginalize the best looking one since Mats is beyond me. Kadri is far far far from disposable.

          Given Kadri put up excellent numbers in his first real shot in the bigs (unlike Wilson forcing him onto the wing) on a second line, he’s proven a lot actually. When compared to other young centers he’d earn better than a bridge. Fans always want something for nothing in the cap era. There is a time and place for a GM to take a hard line Kadri isn’t that place IMO. To be clear I’m not saying give him 5+ but 4-4.5 is money well spent IMO.

          • realistic_leafs_fan says:

            Kadri looked great, don’t get me wrong. He was an unknown though and it’s not like opposing teams were planning for him or had the time to practice in a shortened season to plan for him. As his work load increased, his production went down. I still feel he needs to prove more, both attitude and performance.
            As for Franson, what type of picks do you think you can get in a cap reduced season for an un-signed RFA defenceman? I still don’t think trading Franson for picks will eventually return a player of his value.

            • leafs_wallace93 says:

              Everyone gushing over Franson? He’s really had one breakout season like Kadri and he’s older.

              People say ‘he’s so mature’ why? He’s shut in while Kadri mans up and makes himself available to be questioned? Kadri is more of a leader already IMO.

              When is was said Nonis was shopping him this summer it was said to be 1st round pick + a prospect. You’d figure it would have to something akin to the compensation he’d land on an offer sheet.

              Lose Kadri you’re top six falls apart, lose Franson and Liles is the band aid.

              Franson was a routine healthy scratch two years ago and we landed him for Lebda. He’s not the next Chris Pronger.

              • nordiques100 says:

                its all the CBA.

                it allows teams to be hardline with the players in these situations coming out of the entry level deals.

                the team cant be faulted for that. Nor should they penalize themselves if other teams choose to go the other route and pay large right up front. Toronto doesn’t need to do that and they IMO rightfully are taking the hard stance.

                at the same time, the player has the right to hold out, wait for the best deal. He doesn’t need to sign now or next week or really before the season starts. its the only leverage he has.

                since its rather weak leverage since it only hurts the player in the end, again its all back to how the CBA has been structured, and that hasnt changed through a few CBAs.

                at the end of the day, the Leafs will give Kadri a raise and likely double his salary, but don’t require at all to maximize it to the players benefit. If he wants to be a Mike Peca and hold out long term, thats commendable and the PA will love that, but at the end, the Leafs are under zero pressure to sign any of those max deals or high priced deals like the ones that have been signed recently.

              • doorman says:

                Peoples opinions on players will always differ. I like Kadri, however i unlike you think he has much to prove. He was not very productive in the last part of the season or at the same level in the playoffs. Plus his public stance of “being more then fair” in the media tells me he is less mature than Franson, who queitly says things will get done I am not worried. Tell the fans you are being fair to the team money wise and you have done everything they have always asked, does not make you a leader.

                • leafs_wallace93 says:

                  I’m just saying what he deserves relative to what others have earn around the league. Of course I’d prefer any signing for the Leafs to be as cheap as possible.

              • realistic_leafs_fan says:

                Kadri is not maning up. It’s the opposite actually, so I don’t see how that makes him a leader. He has basically said…I am being reasonable and the team isn’t, it’s their fault I’m not signed. That’s leadership?
                If you project last season, Franson has averaged 69 GP per season for 4 seasons. One year under Wilson does not make a career of being scratched. Just like you said it was Wilson’s fault Kadri was put on the wing and not given a shot at centre. Wilson was an idiot. Hard to know what we had under his coaching.

                • realistic_leafs_fan says:

                  Come on Wallace, which statement sounds more mature and that of a leader?
                  Asked if he is willing to hold out, Kadri told TSN, “I mean, if that’s what it takes; I don’t want to, that’s for sure.
                  “I just want something that’s fair, that’s all,” Kadri said. “And I think I’m being pretty fair as well.”
                  Or
                  “It’s not frustrating; I mean it’s part of the business,” Franson said. “That’s just the way it goes sometimes. Hopefully it all gets worked out before camp. I’m down here preparing as if nothing is wrong, so hopefully it goes well. It’s not frustrating, it’s just time-consuming.”
                  How is Kadri a leader and Franson hiding from reporters? I really don’t see your point on this one.

                  • leafs_wallace93 says:

                    Really whats more respectable….

                    the kid that puts himself in the line of fired or the guy who is a shut in?

                    • realistic_leafs_fan says:

                      How is Franson a shut in? He answers the questions.
                      It’s not about IF Kadri is willing to answer questions…it’s about what he says when he does answer them. He is saying he is being reasonable and the team isn’t. That is neither leadership or respectful.IMO I respect Franson for keeping his mouth shut and not bringing the problems to the media. Obviously we disagree, so I will leave it at that.

        • reinjosh says:

          henrique and kadri are not comparables in anyway. henrique was a 3rd round pick, not a top ten pick. he received time with kovy and Elias which led to him getting 50 points in his first season, kadri lit up the nhl getting almost a ppg not with superstars and earning his place while henrique literally had no comoetition .

          oh and henrique regressed terrible offensively this year. he’s basically new jersey’s younger version of bozak.

          awful, awful, awful comparisons.

          • leafs_wallace93 says:

            These aren’t comparisons based on talent but age and position. Henrik is relative due to the fact it’s a team top center coming off elc in the new CBA.

            You can basically throw out a comparison like say Duhene’s bridge (like other are saying) because it was not signed in this new landscape.

            Who is the comparison for Kadri then Josh?

            • reinjosh says:

              Honestly? I’m not sure, but Henrique really has no direct lines of comparing the two outside a player coming out of his ELC.

              Contracts don’t get compared on age and position. It’s far too weak of a comparison to accurately use.

              • realistic_leafs_fan says:

                Contracts don’t get compared on age and position? I have to disagree with you there.
                So a 37 year old centre and a 25 year old centre with similar points will get the same contract? Or a goalie will ask for the same money as a forward based on how he thinks they compare value wise?
                I think age and position are used quite a bit in comparing contracts to determine dollar value.
                If age and position are too weak of a starting point to compare contracts…then what is a strong enough comparison to start with?

    • reinjosh says:

      karri really can’t catch a break, seems no matter what he does leaf fans will hate him. this is the same thing subban did and the same thing many many other players did. this is what happens when players breakout. they ask for a lot, that’s an agents job. burr when kadri does it he’s evil and doing something literally no one else has ever done. its ridiculous. is he worth 5 plus million? not yet but he’s just doing what precedent has set for him under the old CBA.

      and a second thing, its merely rumors that say he’s asking for 5 plus. not that I disagree, he’s not worth that. a bridge deal is what we need, although I’m unconcerned about his production. I have no doubt he’ll be a stud in the NHL. never doubted him. but cautiousness isn’t something I’m against

      • realistic_leafs_fan says:

        A bridge deal also gives him the chance at a big contract after a season or two which will likely work out to be more over 4 years than Henrique will make. If he can get two years around $3mil, he would be stupid not to take it because his next contract could easily be worth over $5mil per if he continues his progression.

  3. doorman says:

    The worst thing that could happen for him is the Leafs come out on fire, someone else steps up plays well and they become in no hurry to sign him. I think he still has not learned many of the lessons of being mature as he claims.

    • realistic_leafs_fan says:

      Yea doorman. He still needs to grow up. If he sits out and Bolland produces…Kadri will regret it. Bolland will likely play with Clarkson and either JVR or Lupul if Kadri sits out. Bolland has a good chance of producing. Plus, if Colborne then earns the third line centre spot and looks good…

      • doorman says:

        Yup, I agree. I think most will disagree with me but Franson is the more important piece to keep going forward, IMO. I think Kadri will be a nice player, but i am not as convinced as him or others of his impending stardom. I could be wrong, but in a shortened season and disappearing when the going got tough and in the playoffs, doesn’t have me caring if he signs or not.

        • realistic_leafs_fan says:

          No doubt Kadri is a talent, but his attitude will hold him back. He has a sense of entitlement compared to continuing to earn what he gets.
          Franson has quietly gone about his business and has now earned his worth and has shown a good attitude. That is a tangible no one is talking about and means a lot when you are trying to build a team that will fight for each other.
          Kadri is still very selfish and has a huge and over inflated self worth. If he doesn’t grow out of it, he will be a prima-donna that players won’t like in the dressing room.

          • reinjosh says:

            Explain to me how he has a sense of entitlement?

            He places himself on the Leafs as one of their best players in a contract year. He asks to get paid and he now has entitlement issues?

            Ridiculous. Subban did the same thing and apparently it was ok for him.

            Seriously, I don’t think I’ve ever seen a player receive so much undeserved hate in my life. It’s asinine.

  4. leafs_wallace93 says:

    Just read that the Fylers once offered Claude Giroux to Tampa for Paul Ranger both before they played a game in the NHL. Didn’t realize that Ranger had so much upside.

    • realistic_leafs_fan says:

      He was good. A few too many mental mistakes when he was young, but looked very promising. Poor last season and then quit. He could be a real find and would only play for the Leafs, so in return, he got a NTC.

  5. razer1818 says:

    “””TSN Hockey Insider Bob McKenzie’s report that the 22-year-old forward’s camp is seeking a multi-year contract with an annual average salary of $5.5 million while the Leafs are seeking a two-year bridge deal similar to what Montreal’s P.K. Subban signed last season.”””

    That would put Kadri making the same as John Tavares. NOT a chance i Like the KID but hus is No John Taveres

  6. nordiques100 says:

    I said it months ago Burke to Calgary.

    It makes sense. The team needs to reset like the Leafs did when he came in.

    Feaster has done things similar to Cliff Fletcher when Fletch took over the leafs. Made some decent pickups, but some questionable moves too (see Jeff Finger).

    Burke, if he able to be completely in charge, is what the Flames need. Someone who can build an identity.

    The key this time is that he could clean house and you know, bring in the coach he wants that would be agreeable on philosophies.

    Klimchuk, Monahan and Poirer are a good start to the rebuild. Jankowski, Gaudreau and Baertchi are also fine forward prospects. But their D is brutal, their goaltending questionable and they have no identity at all.

    they have a ton of wasted cap space but much of it is coming off the books after this season. It will allow Burke some wiggle room.

    it would be a last chance at redemption for him and he’s a smart guy, he would have had to learn a few things from his Toronto experience to no do over again.

    • realistic_leafs_fan says:

      Yea, good call Nords.
      He should be a good fit there and you can be sure should Kessel or Phaneuf hit the UFA market, Burke will be calling.
      Expect Calgary to become much tougher if Burke does land there.

      • nordiques100 says:

        they need some identity. if its a tough, no nonsense belligerent team then good.

        They’ve not really had any identity since they made it to the finals as a blue collar, in your face team in 2004.

        since then they’ve seem to slab players on a chalkboard and hoped it all worked out and Kipper would bail them out. No direction for years is killing them. Burke will give them that.

        i saw that cammy, stajan and Kipper’s deal are all coming off the books after teh season. that’s like 15 mil free. he’ll be spending for sure.

    • leafs_wallace93 says:

      This is great for Nonis, he and Burke will make excellent trade partners. Calgary can be somewhere we can bury some salary during their rebuild.

      Always good to have a trading partner in another conference. Just lie the role Anaheim used to play.

      • realistic_leafs_fan says:

        Speaking of Calgary. Too bad we couldn’t work out a little 3 team deal with them and Vancouver.
        Calgary could use…well…everything.LOL
        Vancouver could use some two-way scoring depth and have really no solid defence prospects.
        Toronto would like a little cap room and solidify the bottom 6.

        How about

        To Calgary
        Liles
        To Vancouver
        Kulimen, Stajan, Percy
        To Toronto
        Booth, Kassian

        Calgary gets a veteran puck moving D-man which is more valuable than Stajan would be to them. He would easily slot into their top 4, give them a PP guy and hardly add any to their cap this season.

        Vancouver gets solid two-way players in Kulimen and Stajan that can play up and down the line-up. They are booth pending UFA, so with the Booth contract gone, they have tons of cap space next season. They get Percy, who will become their number 1 D prospect and almost NHL ready.
        Toronto gets Booth, who if he stays healthy, could play top 6 if other injuries occur. He is talented but injury prone. His contract has one less year than Liles as well. He is a risk. Kassian would probably benefit from a coach like Carlysle and is a potential 20 goal power forward who will drop the gloves. The Leafs top 9 wingers could be the best in the League with JVR, Lupul, Booth on the left and Kessel, Clarkson, Kassian on the right. Leafs also gain $1.555 mil in cap space.

        I think each team becomes better, now and the long term.

        • leafs_wallace93 says:

          Man, you love Kassian don’t you?

          • realistic_leafs_fan says:

            LOL. Yes, I like players like Clarkson, Kassian, Lucic etc. They are not all-stars, but they bring a rare element of scoring and toughness. No, I would not trade Kessel for Kassian before you go there.lol
            Kassian would be a nice piece to the Leafs though. Can you imagine a third line with Kassian and Biggs on the wings? Add to that Kessel, JVR, Lupul and Clarkson as the top 4 with either of Kassian and Biggs moving up and down the line-up as needed…that’s the kind of team I like. Marcus Foligno is another young, power forward I would like us to land if possible.

        • You also hate Calgary. Why do they get screwed so hard? Calgary adding Liles is such a dumb move. They’re in a rebuild mode – let the kids play. They won’t compete for a while. Paying Liles for 3 years is a total joke here.

          • leafs_wallace93 says:

            It’s the choir of you can’t do anything Leaf fans.

            Remember when we’d proposed taking a bad contract in order to land a pick during the Leafs rebuild it was met with the response ‘that can’t happen’….

            Calgary can buy picks and prospects and they’ll be happy to do it. Especially given Nonis and Burke have a history of helping each other capwise (i.e. Nonis/Murray with the Ducks and Burke with the Leafs).

            When has Jay Feaster or Burke ever approach the ‘let’s just play the kids’ philosophy?

            The joke is confusing your opinion with Burke/Feaster’s.

          • realistic_leafs_fan says:

            Hate Calgary? Exactly who are these kids you want to let play? Calgary has no NHL or soon to be NHL ready D prospects. Liles adds some veteran leadership and helps on the PP with the few young forward prospects Calgary has. Yea Stajan for Liles is a horrible trade for Calgary cause they need stajan and his $3.5 mil salary sooo bad. Name the kids that they should let play and I won’t consider your comment a total joke.

            • leafs_wallace93 says:

              Typical internet fan looks at every rebuilding team through ‘the Pittsburgh model’ which Burke has repeatedly denounced.

              • realistic_leafs_fan says:

                I would understand his point somewhat IF, big if Calgary had young D ready for the NHL. They don’t they have taken on a bunch of 25+ year old no one really wants because they have no D prospects. Brodie is the closest thing they have to a D prospect. I look at it more as the typical…I won’t look at the reasons for the move, just who each player is. Liles would actually help Calgary during their re-build.imo

                • leafs_wallace93 says:

                  It’s an anti-leaf bias people said the same thing about Beauchemin that he was negative value and untradeable and yet we landed Gardiner and Lupul for him. Funny.

  7. doorman says:

    Burke brings exactly what many have said an identity to Calgary. He also brings hope, like him or not he is proactive and a good hockey man. He does make some questionable moves as all GM’s do but he also has a vision and does what is necessary to reach it. This will also pump some very fresh and competitive blood into the battle of Alberta.

    • realistic_leafs_fan says:

      I do not like all of Burkes moves, but he is greatly responsible for Toronto’s rebuild and making it a once again desired place to play. Clarkson, Ranger and Bozak to name a few, all wanted to be here. As for Ranger, it is said he turned down offers from as many as 17-20 other NHL teams. Like Burke or not, he created a culture and identity here that Nonis inherited and has used to his advantage.

      • leafs_wallace93 says:

        The Canucks are still to this day a team built primarily by Burke/Nonis, people marginalize what he did in Anaheim but he added two hall of fame defensemen and won a cup.

        People criticize the Seguin deal but who knows if he would have made the Gardiner/Lupul deal had he not traded for Kessel.

        Drafting Reilly instead of a forward was ballsy, everyone roasted him for that pick (especially me) and I’m glad he had the stones to do it.

        • realistic_leafs_fan says:

          Reilly/Gardiner could be two very powerful offensive weapons. Reilly will probably end up more rounded as well. I have no problem with the Kessel deal, never have. Burke deserves some criticism, but also deserves some credit. He is a very good GM, but as most, they are hired to be fired.

        • nordiques100 says:

          again, nothing was really wrong with the Kessel trade.

          its what he did (or more specifically what he didnt do) afterwards.

          i’v never minded the Kessel deal. its a lot of that other stuff he did that was quite questionable here.

      • nordiques100 says:

        i think them being a playoff team last year helped attract players.

        Winning and a winning culture helps. Players prefer to step into that situation than one where they are expected to help the team create that atmosphere.

        • realistic_leafs_fan says:

          It helped for sure, but Ranger and Bozak were here prior to the playoffs. I think the Leafs looking like they were headed in the right direction (for once) is the biggest factor. Players wanting to be a part of an organization that is building something…that’s where I give Burke credit.

  8. lafleur10 says:

    interesting hire by the flames,feaster is burke’s puupet i can’t see this lasting long feaster will resign by seasons end…..burke is the de-facto gm calling all the shots anyway they just let feaster keep the title of gm ,but it’ll ultimatley be mouthpiece burke doing all of the dealing and deals for the flames. it wouldn’t surprise me if the first move he does is to offer sheet kadri just to piss off the leafs and their organzation for the way they showedhim the door. He will also be after kessel ,phanuef when and if they hit ufa status after the season ends
    i wonder how long it’ll take burke get reimer from toronto as well(he’ll) fleece nonis in the process telling him i taught almost everything you but not quite everything!

    • mapleleafsfan says:

      I love how Burke is the worst GM of all time who gets fleeced by everyone when he’s the leafs GM but now he’s fleecing the leafs the first chance he gets.

      • Gambo says:

        He does have a point though. Burke is a smart GM, i’m pretty worried that he’ll do what he did to Anaheim to us. The Flames don’t have much that interests me from a leafs POV, Wideman and obviously 1sts. I can really see Burke make a move for Reimer.

        Wouldn’t it be ironic(and yes illogical) if Burke traded for Luongo

  9. Gambo says:

    Ron Wilson the next coach of the Flames?

  10. leafs_wallace93 says:

    Ek says Kadri is settling for a bridge. I think Nonis is better giving off long term contract.

    Also saying Pietrangelo is at an impasse.

    Tor
    Pietrangelo & Lapierre (salary dump)

    Stl
    Paneuf (leafs retain 1 million) & Franson.

  11. toronto77 says:

    Enough of this contract talk, no one is talking about the leafs rookie camp? Once these issues are resolved the leafs will have another problem but a good problem on their hands and that is what to do with Gardiner and Rielly.

    Both are too good to be your 3rd or 4th d-men, if these two are on any team in the league they should be one of your 1st or 2nd d-men on the top line. Rielly may not be that good right away but should progress as the season goes on. I would put him in the 3rd or 4th to start. Gardiner I would expect to get top line minutes.

    As much as I love these 2 players I do not think the leafs will be able to keep both of them. Like I said they are too good to be 3rd or less type d-men, they are top line d-men .

    Either way, the leafs would get a really good return for one of them. At the trade deadline or next off-season the leafs should package one of Gardiner/Rielly, one of Reimer/Bernier and maybe a prospect for a no.1 centre men. That package would get you a great centermen!

    • leafs_wallace93 says:

      Leafs best chance of becoming a decent puck possession team would be a Rielly and Gardiner eating up a ton of minutes. Gardiner was one. Boston exposed Toronto’s inability to keep the puck through out the playoffs. Gadiner was one of the Leafs few bright spots in this area.

      Much like Detroit carried Lidstrom and Rafalski or where Phoenix found some success with Yandle and OEL it’s a nightmare match up for other coaches to deal with. Split them and ice an elite puck mover throughout the game.

  12. toronto77 says:

    That would be a great solution to have both Rielly and Gardiner on the top line. I didn’t mention it because typically you would want more balance. Though they are not very physical defence men they can still use their body to protect and turn over the puck. I still remember in one of the playoff games Gardiner bumping into Lucic to turn over the puck, he didn’t hit him hard but bumped him just enough.

    If that line pairing works than I am all for it, which would mean that Phaneuf is defiantly being traded if he gets surpassed by those 2 because he will not accept a 3rd or less d-men spot.

    Problem is what happens if one day that line pairing proves to be a little too weak, and needs more physicality and they decide to add a Granberg or Nilson? You would have to demote one of Gardiner/Rielly and one may have to be moved.

  13. nordiques100 says:

    I mentioned this too a while back, the Leafs should sign Raymond. well he joins the team on a PTO. They are short on LW and he’d fit so long as the salary can fit.

    Likely Nonis will have to do what he got Nashville to do with Lombardi.

    At the time, Lombardi was owed around 7 million over 2 years and he was traded with Cody Franson for Brett Lebda and change. Practically given away.

    Liles is somewhat similar. he’s owed 11.7 mil roughly over 3 years. He will likely have to be dumped with an ok player just to break the cap logjam.

  14. mapleleafsfan says:

    I wonder if they are really considering Raymond or if it’s just to put pressure on Kadri’s agent a bit. Different positions, but he’d still take away the cap space.

    • nordiques100 says:

      Nonis drafted Raymond in 2006 i believe.

      not necessarily a “carlyle” type player but the whole roster can’t be those types.

      I like him b/c of the speed element he provides and he isnt that small. he’ll go into traffic. he’s a adequate replacement for MacArthur imo.

  15. doorman says:

    I really like this move. Raymond is young fast and has some scoring talent and as far as I remember Nucks fans saying is not a defensive liability. He has experience and will put pressure on guys to preform better.

    • Gambo says:

      He’s underrated on the PK too. I think a line with Raymond, Bolland and Kulemin would work well. Fast and defensively competent line.

      • toronto77 says:

        I was thinking the exact same line! Bozak will be the no.1 and Kadri has to be in the top 6, so by default I think Bolland slides into that no.3 spot. Kulemin will be a 3rd line winger with the top 4 winger spots going to JVR, Kessel, Lupul and Clarkson.

        With MacArthur and Frattin gone, who are the other options for the wing on the 3rd line? unless you promote from the marlies there isn’t one, but Raymond will look good

        Speed and good net drive from Raymond
        Physicality and good net drive from Bolland
        Speed, Physicality and good net drive from Kulemin

        These 3 would work well together.

  16. Gambo says:

    Now that Burke is in charge of the Flames, I can see it being easier to move Liles over there.

    Liles and Percy for a bag of pucks?

    Burke traded for Liles and resigned him and he drafted Percy. Toronto gets cap space and loses a prospect from an area of strength so it’s not too troublesome.

    It would give them enough space to sign Kadri, Franson, Raymond and have a full 23 man roster.

    • nordiques100 says:

      probably not.

      They have Kris Russell who is 5’10, Chris Butler who is 6’1 190 lbs, Mark Giordano who is 6’0, 200 lbs, Dennis Wideman who is 5’11, TJ Brodie who is 6’0 and Mark Cundari who is 5’11.

      Their D is very small as is.

  17. mapleleafsfan says:

    Kadri is apparently asking for 3.5, the leafs are offering him under 3 both on 2 year contracts. 3.5 seems reasonable to me no? Can’t really fault kadri there IMO.

  18. toronto77 says:

    If I’m a Marlie player or prospect I am pist! lol

    If Raymond, Kadri and Franson are signed the lineup will look like this:

    JVR-Bozak-Kessel
    Lupul-Kadri-Clarkson
    Raymond-Bolland-Kulemin
    McLaren-McClement-Orr

    Phaneuf-Gardiner
    Gunnarson-Franson
    Fraser-Liles

    Though McLaren and Orr aren’t regulars, there are not a lot of good opportunities.

    Good news for the leafs organization is that it buys a lot of time for proper development and a more veteran team to learn from.

    • nordiques100 says:

      82 game season. they’re bound to get lots of PT through the year. I see nothing wrong with having more time to develop.

      Raymond isnt even signed. He has to earn it like the Rookies. its actually a good way to push them harder to win the job.

      • reinjosh says:

        Inviting him is designed exactly as you said. It’s to push the rookies. If they can’t outplay him, then they need more time in the AHL. There’s little harm in making them earn it over an established NHLer.

  19. reinjosh says:

    So apparently the Leafs and Kadri are only apart on dollars and not term. Both apparently agree on two years. Kadri wants 7 over 2 years, and LEafs are offering 5.7 over 2.

    So Kadri is asking for Matt Duchenne’s bridge deal, and Leafs are offering a little lower than Neal and Couture’s bridge deals.

  20. realistic_leafs_fan says:

    Not sure if Raymond is the guy I would want. I would like to see size that can play in our bottom six. Players who are big enough to wear the other team down.
    Either/or, The Leafs line-up, top to bottom, depends on 2 things as I see it.
    1) Can the Leafs move JML and how much of his salary are they keeping if any or who may come back.
    2) Does Morgan Reilly prove he belongs in the NHL.

    If Liles is moved with no salary returned, the Leafs will be able to get Kadri and Franson signed fairly easily and maybe add a depth forward. The only `hockey trade` type of deals they may be able to pull off would be a Liles for Gaustad or Liles for Stajan type of thing. Either way, the team will look different up-front I believe if Liles is moved.

    Reilly is really the unknown factor here. If he proves he belongs, the Leafs will be looking at many options.
    As it Stands, I see Phaneuf, Gardiner, Gunnar, Ranger and Franson(if re-signed) pencilled in. And , yes, I do believe Ranger is already pencilled into the top 6 D. That leaves Fraser, Liles, Holzer and Brennan to fight for the 6-8 depth spots.
    If Reilly is ready, the Leafs would likely prefer to play him as a top 4 over limited and protected bottom pairing minutes…this is where it would get interesting. Reilly is another puck moving LHD like Gardiner, who will likely see top 4 minutes, but neither is very physical.
    Likely that leaves pairings of
    Reilly Phaneuf
    Gardiner Franson as top 2 pairs
    then there is Gunnar, Ranger and Liles left as the likely LHD and Fraser as the remaining RHD.
    If Liles is already gone, then maybe the Leafs stand pat. If not, they would have those 4 fighting for playing time and likely don`t want two of them in the press box.
    A trade would seem like the likely option.
    Ranger has a NTC and only makes $1mil, if he is playing as well as they expect, he isn`t likely going anywhere.
    Fraser at $1.275 and adding toughness from the right side, likely to stay.
    Gunnar is a likely candidate to be moved and may get a decent return.
    Franson being one of few RHD on the team and if he is showing no regression probably stays with his new contract.
    Gardiner is not likely going anywhere, nor is Reilly.
    Phaneuf being a potential UFA and carrying a $6.5 mil contract is possibly the next likely to be moved. Not because he doesn`t have value or isn`t important to the team, but he struggles some from the right side and Gardiner-Reilly would be the left side top guys, plus Phaneuf may be lost for nothing if they can`t re-sign him.

    Gunnar could be moved for a 2nd/3rd line forward or pick/prospect, maybe as high as a second rounder. A solid move that would help the team.

    Phaneuf would be a gamble to move, but may also get the biggest return, although his UFA status will hurt his value some.
    Taking into consideration; cap hit, contract status and player value/quality, should the Leafs move Phaneuf, the team could be very different. I would assume they would want a RHD who can play more a defensive game as part of the return and makes less then Dion, plus likely a western conference trading partner.
    Just for fun, here’s a couple of types of return I would expect.
    Phaneuf to St. Louis for Berglund and Polak
    Phaneuf to Edmonton for Petry, Hemsky and a 2nd(becomes a 1st if Phaneuf re-signs)
    Phaneuf to San Jose for Burns
    Phaneuf to Colorado for Erik Johnson
    I also thought Nashville would be a good fit for Dion…maybe a Klein, Gaustad and Beck.

    Anyhow, camp will be interesting especially if Kadri and Franson are both signed, Liles hasn’t been moved and Reilly makes it look impossible to send him back to junior.

    • reinjosh says:

      What is the fascination with moving Phaneuf in Leaf nation. It’s like a little part of Tank Nation has lodged in most Leaf fans.

      I wouldn’t consider a single one of those trades for Phaneuf. If (and that’s a big if, I’d be very unwilling to look to move him on a simple IF he doesn’t resign) the possibility is raised for him moving, it’s not going to be for downgrades and guys who don’t fit onto their team.

      • mapleleafsfan says:

        Meh he’s got a point. If Gardiner / Reilly continue developing we have 3 top 2 LHD’s. Phaneuf will cost more to keep and needs resigning the soonest. If he can return solid defensive RHDs I see that making us better long term. I’m not all for trading Phaneuf, and definitely not until we see what we have in Gardiner/Reilly. But if they progress and the return is good I don’t see why not.

        • realistic_leafs_fan says:

          I thought I was pretty clear that Gunnar is the most likely moved, THEN Phaneuf the next. I also said certain things would have to happen before Phaneuf gets moved, if at all.
          There was no fascination with moving Phaneuf here. I do find if someone mentions moving Dion, there is a “fascination” with the idea that either he is hated or we want to tank.
          Dion is in the last year of his contract with a $6.5 mil cap hit in a declining cap year and is also a pending UFA. Sorry, he is not going to return Crosby, Weber , Keith etc, which is what some seem to think would be the only reason to move him. I would guess that both Nashville and NJ have at times second guessed their decision not to move Suter and Parise respectively, over losing them for nothing.

        • nordiques100 says:

          reilly and gardiner don’t bring the same elements that Dion brings.

          and this is a team that is trying to compete for a playoff spot.

          worrying about losing Dion for nothing, or Kulemin for that matter, isn’t a priority.

          Only Kessel really you don’t want to walk for nothing.

          i think you need all 3 to start competing now, not 3 years down the road. people like me who’ve been a fan long before some of you were born need to understand its ok to have some urgency to win now.

          Dion will help us win now, and help Reilly/Gardiner be better players. Not necessarily playing with him, but taking the heat, taking the pressure off them. I think gardiner will be great, but not so if he is thrust into the no. 1 role now. He isnt able to handle it now. not even close.

          • realistic_leafs_fan says:

            I am not advocating to trade Dion. I am saying that there will be choices management will or may have to make. As for urgency to win now, I have been watching the Leafs since the 70’s, believe me, I want to win and NOW.
            If Gardiner continues his strong play and shows he can be a Mike Green type player and Reilly is more NHL ready as a Dan Boyle/Doughty type guy then maybe Dion is not the best partner for either when he is playing his off-side which he struggles at. Bringing in a true RHD that plays a better defensive game then Dion and possibly adding another asset by trading Dion has merit.
            By Reilly being ready, I mean like Doughty was at a young age…in other words, no way you send the guy down and he looks dominant already. Some young guys with that much talent struggle a bit playing with lesser talent because the lesser talent are not where they should be, so they don’t dominate it. Reilly could be one of those guys who needs top level to succeed.
            I want to win now, but just letting Dion walk if we knew we could improve long term makes little sense to me.

      • mojo19 says:

        He’s in the final year of his contract Josh. Get used to Phaneuf trade rumours from now on, until an extension is signed, or he’s dealt.

        • nordiques100 says:

          i think Josh and others are at odds over simply trading Dion to trade Dion irregardless of contract.

          the rumors will happen to all players.

          but i think there is angst from running Dion out of town and lots of joy if that happened. and a few of us dont really understand that.

          • doorman says:

            Agreed, I for one am hoping Dion resigns, however, i would also prefer to not see him leave for nothing if he doesn’t. For everyone especially non-leaf fans who claim he isn’t even a #2 dman, I say this, name me 60 better dmen in the league.

            • realistic_leafs_fan says:

              He is for sure a top2. If he is willing to take a 5 year at $27.5 kind of deal. I re-sign him in a second. I do not believe he is a $6mil + a year D man on a long term (4+year) deal though. Let’s not forgot Dion will be 29 at end of season. 5 more years has him at 34 at end of season. I think his best years will be behind him at that point when you consider his style of play and minutes he plays. $5.5 over the next 5 years is a very fair deal for both.

    • leafs_wallace93 says:

      Oh RLF ever the size queen. The Leafs have decent size on the wing with Kulemin, JVR, Clarkson, Orr, Mclaren and Colbourne will see some time on the wing.. They need another winger with some speed. Enter Raymond to replace depth speed lost with Frattin and MacAuthur. Another big body would be redundant at this point.

      • realistic_leafs_fan says:

        I said size that can play, don’t get your panties in a knot.
        Frattin was not only speedy, he would hit.
        Chicago was loaded with guys with size that can play up-front…Saad, Handzus, Bickell, Stalberg, Hossa for example.
        LA had Kopitar, Carter, Lewis, Stohl, King, Penner, Nolan etc.
        Boston- Lucic, Ryder, Horton, Krejci, Thornton and Marchand who plays much bigger than his size.
        The Leafs have some size, but other than Clarkson, Orr and McLaren who are both 4th liners, not much size who can play and like to hit in our top 9. Colborne, JVR and Kulimen are solid on the puck, but not much of a hitting game.
        The bottom six needs size and be able to play a pretty regular shift, especially the third line. The Leafs would benefit from another third liner with some size and nastiness that can play. Hard to believe someone would argue that.

        • leafs_wallace93 says:

          Where are you going to get that on Raymond’s salary?

          • realistic_leafs_fan says:

            Typically that’s where a kid we would have developed or be developing comes in. Our best bet is Biggs or Ashton, who would have to be told to play more physical. Otherwise Colborne will have to be told or McLaren given a shot at more ice.
            Since none of those situations above are likely or ideal, the trade route would be the way to go.
            Of UFA’s, I would have rather taken a chance on Anthony Stewart, the guy could be a beast if someone can get his act together.
            Guys like Marcus Foligno, Kassian may be available. LA has a few 3rd liners with size as does St. Louis on the cheap side.
            I don’t dislike the idea of Raymond, I just feel he doesn’t add what we really need.

        • Gambo says:

          JVR and Kulemin play more or as much of a hitting game as most of the guys you mentioned, so it’s a little contradictory.

          • realistic_leafs_fan says:

            If you are going by hit stats, then I guess Bozak is a big hitter as well. JVR rarely actually uses his body. Kulimen does, but not to the extent of a Foligno, Kassian, Brian Boyle etc. those are the kind of guys I am talking about. It’s why we will miss Komarov, he hits with authority even if he isn’t that big. There is a big difference between the players I mentioned and JVR and Kuli…especially JVR.
            If hitting is just a stat, then I guess you’re right and I was contradicting myself.

            • Gambo says:

              I never realized that Hossa, Saad, Handzus, Ryder, Stalberg and Kopitar are big menacing players who hit with absolute authority.

              • realistic_leafs_fan says:

                I thought you were referring to the above post about getting a Foligno, Kassian type.
                The post you are referring to was about having size in the line-up, not about all guys who hit, and hit hard. I had said that those teams had size throughout their line-ups that can play and we would benefit from having a big third liner who can play a regular shift with some nastiness over a guy like Raymond. I didn’t say we need to be loaded with guys that hit with authority, but we could use one more in the top 9 as Clarkson is the only one. Not sure how that is a contradiction, but I’m sure you will insist it is.

  21. doorman says:

    I think Dion will get a new contract during the season. He has stated he is willing to talk during the year. As long as he doesn’t ask for the moon, it gets done, IMO. However no player is beyond being traded if the return is what you want or need. And, if it isn’t done by the deadline, well there is no harm in weighing offers and options.

  22. doorman says:

    Ughhh, how does enter mean post? lol. As for Rielly I think he should go back to the WHL. Why rush him? Give him a taste, send him back let him be a dominate force and play in the WJC again. There he will have a chance to be a real leader and carry a d-corps. The list of Dmen the Buds have rushed and ruined is way too long to wait another year.

    • Gambo says:

      I agree, play him some games in the NHL before he’s sent down so he knows what it’s like and what he needs to improve on. It would be hugely beneficial in my opinion to have him dominate the dub and then play a big role in the WJC.

  23. reinjosh says:

    And Kadri has signed. Two years, 2.9 million per. Nice to have him signed to a bridge deal. It’s what he deserved, he was still too green to get anything else. Gives him a carrot to earn the big bucks in two years with an extension (or one similar to Duchenne if he plays well enough).

    Now we just need Franson. That could be a lot harder. It’s not as easy to give a guy with almost 250 games a bridge deal…

  24. realistic_leafs_fan says:

    It is good news. As I said above, if he can get two years at $3mil per, he should take it. It’s a fair deal for both sides and if he performs, he can cash in in two years.
    Franson is going to be tougher, once Nonis gave Gunnar 3 years at $3.15, you know Franson is not excepting less. I think it will take at least $3.5 per over 3+ years to sign Cody.

    • reinjosh says:

      Agreed. I just don’t see Franson expecting much less. Bobby Mac tweeted yesterday that Franson and the Leafs are pretty far apart still which isn’t great. Apparently the Leafs are trying for anotehr bridge contract.

      I just can’t see Franson accepting that after basically signing a bridge deal last year and then responding with a huge season. The only real leverage the Leafs have is that he put up a huge season in only 48 games.

      I’m not exactly convinced it will get done before the season either. I’m thinking it’s going to a holdout. Maybe even getting so bad that he asks for a trade.

  25. blaze says:

    Reilly is not a replacement for Phaneuf. I was unaware he was an every situation lead PK guy, surprising.

  26. leafy says:

    Does anybody know if the Leafs sign Franson for only 1 year, would he be a RFA or UFA next summer?

  27. realistic_leafs_fan says:

    I’m not sure how the status works because he doesn’t turn 27 til after July 1st.
    1 year is interesting. I just heard he wants 1 year, but the Leafs want 2 because they have too many D contracts ending this year.
    I think Franson is saying…I will take 1 year at $2-$2.5mil, but then when I prove myself again, pay me and long term.
    The Leafs are saying…we need you to take 2 years at around $2mil.
    If this is the case, I can see why Franson would be mad(good on him for keeping feelings out of the public). Two years at $2mil is kind of insulting when he is trying to be reasonable by already taking much less for one year.

    Also, kudos to Kadri for saying the right things to the press after the deal was done. A much more mature and team oriented response to questions then during the negotiation process.

  28. doorman says:

    A few things, first happy Kadri accepted the deal he did and now has to keep proving himself. I think he is a nice player, but still not sold he will be a star. I really hope Franson signs sooner then later, i like his game. I think he is still improving and it is vital to his development to be in camp and I hope BOTH sides realize this. Next, I know many won’t believe this and fewer will probably ever remember me saying many years ago, we should trade for Ranger, but i truly believe he will cement himself in our top 4. He was an emerging player before he left the game a few years ago and rediscovered his love of the game through coaching kids. He could have left elsewhere for bigger money but only wanted to play for the Leafs. And finally now that camp has started how long before rumors of Burke raping the Leafs pop up everywhere, lol

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