Are the Leafs making a push to land Eric Staal

Jim Matheson, Edmonton Journal writes … several National Hockey League people feel the Toronto Maple Leafs will eventually be making a big push for him

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66 Responses to Are the Leafs making a push to land Eric Staal

  1. leafy says:

    I knew there was something on the griddle. This could be the mother of all trades.

  2. LN91 says:

    Well, Carolina has been good since Staal returned to the lineup…

  3. doorman says:

    it boils down to this, at 30 he is far from done, however how much do you pay to get him? People will argue he isn’t an impact player anymore, is he? I think so and might need rejuvenating who knows? However outside of the cost does he want to move? Point is guys like him with his size, skill and league wide respect don’t come available often, Nonis has to kick tires at the very least.

  4. LN91 says:

    A nice article on the Leafs Tre Kronor on defense with the Marlies. Loov has been the most impressive, which is shocking, as I expected him to be the worst of the 3. Kronwall like.

    http://theahl.com/three-jewels-in-the-marlies-crown-p194623

  5. LN91 says:

    Anyone surprised Joffrey Lupul is on the trade block?

    • leafy says:

      Lupul is a very good player. If he’s traded, it better be something good in return.

      • LN91 says:

        I’m kind of annoyed with him at this point…Often injured, and has played poorly for awhile now. I expect more.

        Not to mention, Leafs need to shed some cap….Especially with rumors cap won’t go up next season.

        • leafy says:

          Leafs are winning now, but if we lose a few games, we’re gonna miss him. He’s still a good player. But I agree health is a constant issue.

          • glotz_99 says:

            http://www.thefourthperiod.com/news/az141111.html

            The Coyotes are allegedly shopping Keith Yandle in exchange for help upfront. Lupul and Yandle have the exact same salary, although Lupul has 3 years left after this season and Yandle only 1 year left after this season. Personally, I think the Leafs defence is their biggest weakness and Yandle would def. help the team down the stretch.

            • LN91 says:

              Ughh, no.

              Defense is still a weakness but atleast their’s hope back their. Yandle coming in would be a disaster unless Phaneuf is leaving.

            • blaze says:

              I would be interested in a Lupul for Yandle swap but Lupul doesn’t have enough value to land Yandle.

            • doorman says:

              In the words of Burke on why Yandle was not on the Team USA roster for the Olympics, he isn’t scaring anyone back there. Not a defensive upgrade at all, IMO

              • glotz_99 says:

                Like Phaneuf is scaring anyone, unless you count how scary easy it is to skate past him. If you don’t think Yandle would be an upgrade over someone like Robidas, you must not be watching a different game. The Leafs have been winning games, because their top line has been amazing, and they have better secondary scoring than last year, but they still give up a ton of shots and have trouble getting out of their own zone. Also can we throw Matt Frattin into a trade, I have no clue why they brought him back, when we have much better options on the Marlies.

                • LN91 says:

                  Poor defensive issues is not only D-Men, they’re has been poor defensive performances from alot of forwards as well.

                  Defence is a community effort, not just D-Men. Seems to be that misconception here.

                  • glotz_99 says:

                    That is very true, I can’t count how many times the Leafs have possession of the puck and give it away a foot inside their own blue line instead of getting it out which results in them chasing the puck and giving up a bunch of good scoring opportunities.

  6. leafy says:

    Finally Pat Burnsie enters the hall of fame. It’s about time.

  7. leafy says:

    I’m a big believer in shots on goal stats. At larger sample sizes anyway. A good indicator of puck possession and overall team quality.

    Has anybody seen the SOG stats for the Leafs? They are WAY up this year. Right now at 10th overall, whereas last year almost LAST in the NHL!!!

  8. LN91 says:

    I would consider trading Erik Staal for Nazem Kadri and Jake Gardiner for E. Staal…The lineup would look like this:

    Kessel-Bozak-JVR
    Clarkson-Staal-Booth (assuming)
    Holland-Santorelli-Komarov (who plays center on this line?)
    Winnik-Carrick-Smith (Ideally)

    Phaneuf-Franson
    Reilly-Robidas
    Polak-Percy

    Top prospects:

    Forwards:

    – Nylander
    – Leivo
    – Brown (Who has been torching it as a rookie for the Marlies)
    – McKegg
    – Gauthier

    Defence:

    – Finn
    – Loov
    – Nilsson
    – Granberg

    • LN91 says:

      And I even forgot Lupul…

    • TmLeafan says:

      Stupid trade. Eric Staal is old and nowhere near the player he used to be we are going to trade one of our best young players for him?

      Staal makes 7.8 mil that’s almost Kessel money. He is horrendously overpaid and likely only going to get worse as the years go on. He has been on a pretty steady decline the last 5 years. But hey he can win faceoffs!

  9. glotz_99 says:

    I’m not to mad about that loss to the Penguins, they had plenty of chances and that game could have gone Either way, but what is the deal with Phaneuf. Did anyone see him standing around on the first goal and terrible coverage on the second goal too. It’s a fucking embarrassment that our Captain is our worst player on most nights. Every game it’s dumb penalties and weak effort from him, it drives me fucking crazy. I don’t normally rip on Phaneuf ( he did have a nice hit near the end of the game that drew a penalty against the Pens) but he sets a bad example for the whole team with his terrible play and lack of effort.

    • LN91 says:

      I think 99.9 % of Phaneuf’s problems has to do with stick handling and skating…He’s terrible in both departments.

      I think he has good positioning and the physicality, but he’s very slow (Including reaction time) and cannot pass a puck for his life.

      I do agree, he can be the worst player on the Leafs most nights…Which is why I was upset with the new contract.

    • LN91 says:

      I think the problem with the Leafs is they do not have a second-line.

      Kessel will have an off night every once in awhile (like yesterday) but you need that second-line to stand-up in those instances. The Leafs second-line is terrible…Which is why I’m a huge fan of getting Staal or O’Reilly to anchor it.

  10. lafleur10 says:

    you’ve got to have stuff stuff to give up to get ror and / staal….as it stands the leafs don’t have much to offer for either guy…..maybe outside shot at staal but nothing to get ror

    • LN91 says:

      The Leafs have plenty to offer at this point…What are you talking about? A team would want youth and pieces moving forward.

      What does Montreal have to offer?

      • lafleur10 says:

        a hell of alot more than the leafs could if we were after ror…. but he don’t need him

      • lafleur10 says:

        they don’t really outside of the big 3 on the top line or reilly there isn’t much there that the av’s would want they wouldn’t take gardiner or franson as they have barrie and e.johnson how are better and kadri on the avalanche would likely be a 3rd line center ..he’s not taking the job away from mackinnon or duchene ,landeskog and he’s too good to be a 3rd line centerso unless it was jvr and reilly going the other way the avs would pass

        • Gambo says:

          As an Avs fan I would love Gardiner, i’ve always thought him and Johnson would be a good pairing. Plus Gardiner and Barrie would be dynamite on the PP together. But Gardiner wouldn’t be enough to get him and there’s no need for Kadri. There is a trade that could he made there though and Toronto certainly has plenty of trading chips.

  11. leafmeister says:

    I’d definitely build a package around Gardiner for O’Reilly. He is the exact kind of player the Leafs need in the top 6.

    On another note, Nylander is absolutely dominating the SHL. Same with Johnson, to a lesser degree.

    • LN91 says:

      Cherry can criticize all he wants…I would make all Leafs picks from Sweden at this point.

      The key for Johnson is building from last year, not about dominating like Nylander has (Apparently, he’s played this season unlike no one else from the SHL).

      Important to note, he’s playing C in the SHL…Not wing.

      Also, Forsberg is a very big fan:

      http://www.torontosun.com/2014/11/15/peter-forsberg-raves-about-leafs-draft-pick-william-nylander

      • leafmeister says:

        Yeah I hope the Leafs develop him as a centre. In regards to his potential, the fact he is putting up better than a point per game pace as an 18 year old in the highest level puts up in a pretty exclusive category, should he maintain it. Even if he doesn’t quite score a point per game, it would be roughly at the pace Nicklas Backstrom scored after his draft year.

        I think he definitely has star potential, with his upside and style being similar to that of Claude Giroux.

        • LN91 says:

          When I saw highlight videos of Nylander, I saw Giroux as well…Which is why I wanted him. For an 18-year old, I thought he also played well defensively when he was here.

          Backstrom’s best season was 40 points in 45 games in the SEL.

  12. leafmeister says:

    If Chicago’s cap troubles force them to make some tough decisions, I think the Leafs should make a run at Brent Seabrook. He would give the Leafs a pretty formidable blueline.

    I’d offer Gardiner, Kadri + to get in done, should they have a long term deal in place for Seabrook agreed to before hand.

    • LN91 says:

      Once again, unless Phaneuf is leaving in a deal…It really makes no sense.

      Toronto atleast has options on defence in the future…THey have nothing up the middle, only defensive minded centers.

      • leafmeister says:

        The Leafs don’t really have a guy who projects to be a top 2 work horse like Seabrook. It would result in one of the more expensive bluelines, but it would be pretty solid:

        Rielly – Seabrook
        Phaneuf – Franson
        Percy – Polak
        Robidas

        • Gambo says:

          I agree, if Seabrook is available they have to go for him. Rielly-Seabrook could be very similar to Keith-Seabrook.

          Also, Phaneuf and Seabrook would be one of the best shutdown pairings in the league right now.

          I’d go:
          Phaneuf-Seabrook
          Rielly-Polak
          Percy-Franson

    • lafleur10 says:

      and stan bowman would laugh you off the phone with that offer gardiner would be hard pressed to crack there top 4 and kadri wouldn’t be anything that the blaackhawks would want or need in the center position …they have more than enough capable guys doing the job until terravainen is ready

  13. leafs_wallace93 says:

    I’ve beat the Kessel drum since day one but watching how Kessel scores, quick release and driving to the net again I’ll take that 10 of 10 times over stick handling nancies like Giroux and Kane (gaaaay). I mean how many 180lbs ‘skill’ players do we see keep it up over a long career, gimme Brett Hull over Denis Savard.

    So thought experiment in a three way deal, Giroux for Kessel for Kane which would you prefer and why?

    • LN91 says:

      Giroux, because elite Centers are more of a rarity then wingers in this league. Not to mention Giroux is fantastic on the faceoff dot.

      Wingers, no matter how talented they are, cannot guide a team without strength down the middle. Looking at past great wingers is a good example of that.

      • leafs_wallace93 says:

        You can’t have three forwards pushing, so JVR and Kessel provide the offense and Bozak hangs back, so this ‘get a center for Kessel bs’ is short sighted, Kessel takes possession like a center. A better center would be one that can play in their own zone better than Bozak but relatively speaking Bozak plays well in that role.

        Look at Edmonton, Hall ‘has a center’ in RNH and the reason the Oilers are no where near good, is that they play three forwards deep on every single play when their top six is out and they get caught a lot more than they score.

        Players on lines have roles, Kessel outshines most centers in his role. Can’t tell me that Craig Janney was more important that Brett Hull.

        • LN91 says:

          No…But Brett Hull did not win a cup until he played with the likes of Modano and Yzerman.

          Essentially, I do not think it’s that BS. Even last years Stanley Cup Final was Rick Nash vs. Anze Kopitar, and it was decisive victory for Kopitar.

          • leafs_wallace93 says:

            Modano? He couldn’t win without Hull or Belfour, that was a ugly team when Mikey was their franchise player. Goaltending and goon blueliners were the difference in the clutch and grab era.

            Detroit? A historically stacked team.

            I’m not of the opinion that it’s total BS, of course centers are typically better than wingers, Kessel is one of those few exceptional talents. It’s like Washington can’t win because Ovie is better than Backstrom.

            • LN91 says:

              You do know the Leafs are getting smashed by the Sabres right?

              • leafs_wallace93 says:

                So that means Giroux > Kessel?

                • LN91 says:

                  No, but how much has Kessel won? Let alone playoff appearances?

                  Atleast Hull carried STL to the playoffs to be blown out after a series…But Kessel has never done that.

                  • leafs_wallace93 says:

                    E.Staal won a cup in 1934 could we burn assets from him?

                  • TmLeafan says:

                    Kessel is better than Giroux, slightly worse or equal to Kane in my opinion. How much has he won? Is that his fault or the fact he was traded to a team that was an absolute trainwreck?

                    How much has Giroux won? Absolutely nothing. Kessel is almost a ppg player in the playoffs scored some big goals. For Boston against MTL when he was a rookie, not to mention the game winner game 2, realistically what should have been the game winner in game 7 against the Bruins (collapse not his fault).

                    You use the argument of last years finals as Kopitar vs Nash? Wow that was one of the most lopsided finals in history. Had nothing to do with LA having the best dman in the game.

  14. leafy says:

    Leafs need to get rid of Franson. I’m on the anti Franson band wagon. That guy is horrible.

  15. LN91 says:

    Why did Carlyle shuffle all the lines tonight?

    • leafy says:

      Absolutely no excuse for tonight’s performance.

      Let’s ask ourselves, would such a poor effort happen with a kick-ass coach? I think not.

      • LN91 says:

        I don’t know…Reimer could not make a save a life.

        The onus has to be on the players as well…They do not have the type play that wins games. They were too soft.

      • LN91 says:

        This group hates to be coached..Bring in Babcock and Kessel will complain about a breakout after a month.

        • leafy says:

          They really are soft, I’m with you 100% there. No grit or character. Plenty of skill, but no heart and soul players. This needs to be addressed at some point.

        • nordiques100 says:

          remember LN91. we have to protect Kessel at all costs to justify not having the 2 things we need more than a 35 goal scoring winger (he hasnt scored 40 yet)

          Seguin a No. 1 Centre
          Hamilton a top 2 Dman

          So stop slamming him and champion the fact we might have a guy who can score 40 goals and lead us to a late lottery pick.

          • LN91 says:

            Ughh, I would have not mind Kessel if they have traded Kaberle and Kadri for him.

            This franchise is flatlining at outside of the playoff bubble…Which is worst then being dead last in the league.

          • leafs_wallace93 says:

            So trade him for ROR, piss away our best offensive talent in Leafs history because Leaf Nation is collectively butthurt over Seguin who is basically an identical talent to Kessel (Seguin doesn’t back either) but he’s a center. Seguin doesn’t have a 200 foot game but he’s technically a center so trade Kessel because he has the asterik of being a winger.

            Remind me of the team that won a championship without being strong on the wing?

            Hamilton is a top 2? I didn’t realize being Chara’s intern makes someone a league wide top two. Like Ference was a great blueliner or Boychuck, another guy getting the Chara rub.

          • leafy says:

            The Leafs BADLY need a no. 1 center. They need a Clark + Lefebvre for Sundin type trade like with Quebec.

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