Leafs Off-season/ Up-coming season 06/07

First off I Wanna say im very excited about this upcoming season but these past few months, hockey talk has been quite boring .. So i wanna start something up and bring my opinion to your minds .. SECONDLY i wanna back up Hal Gill because every post i look at .. everyone is bashing this signing and bashing him all together. This guy has been a +56 the 3 seasons before the lockout, he played for a HORRIBLE Boston team last season and STILL only had a

-4 rating .. Our Beloved Lindros was a -3..Klee when he was with the leafs was a -8 Lets take a look at some stars and see there +/- rating .. hmm 1st off Ryan Smyth -5 .. Sheldon Sourey -11

Jovanovski -8 .. Boyle -8 .. Pronger ONLY a +2

Our Leafs McCabe and Kaberle -1 .. Kubina -13 ..

BEST of all everyone loved the signing of the 2 time Selke award winner Michael Peca .. yeah he was a -4 aswell .. nobody bashed him .. most of the league struggled last season because nobody truely knew what to expect .. now with adjustments we’ll see some change

Honestly Gill isnt as bad as everyone seems .. hes the perfect stay at home defenceman the Leafs truely need. We all know he isnt a guy who will put up points and we honestly dont need that

so go ahead and bash because some may not like my opinions but im stating facts like it or not.

NOW here we go .. lets talk some trades and such

If i was to be asked if the Leafs would make the playoff’s this season, i would honestly have to say yes simply because they have improved there team, they made all the right moves by letting go of the right players and bringing in the right players .. maybe not the right prices but none of us can say anything .. its simply not our money .. but if it was my team for a day here is what i wuld honestly do.

Since Nashville is curriently shopping wingers .. the 1st thought that would go through my head is screw Carter. for the amount of money he wants .. it aint worth it .. c’mon 3 mill for a guy who played along side 2 great skilled playmakers last season and only put up 55 points, he truely isnt worth it.

Ferguson should seriously take a look at Nashville’s wingers .. He should offer a deal like this

To Nashville : 2nd Pick in 2007..5th pick in 2008

To Toronto : Erat OR Hartnell

I Know we need a “star” for Sundin but honestly these 2 guys played on the 2nd/3rd line for Nashville last season and put up some pretty nice numbers (48 for Hartnell, 49 for Erat)

Erat is starting to show he can be a capable playmaker. I think he would excell on Sundins wing. Hartnell could be a nice powerforward for Sundin aswell .. but honestly i believe we need a playmaker or scorer who will match up nice with Sundin .. but Hartnell would fit nice on a line with Peca and Tucker .. that would be the perfect shutdown line.

Some other deals/ signings i believe ferguson should think about is this

Sign Daze to a 1 year deal worth around 1 million

Make An Offer to Morozov for 3 years worth 1.5

Any Other opinions on what the Leafs should do .. send away!
-4 rating .. Our Beloved Lindros was a -3..Klee when he was with the leafs was a -8 Lets take a look at some stars and see there +/- rating .. hmm 1st off Ryan Smyth -5 .. Sheldon Sourey -11

Jovanovski -8 .. Boyle -8 .. Pronger ONLY a +2

Our Leafs McCabe and Kaberle -1 .. Kubina -13 ..

BEST of all everyone loved the signing of the 2 time Selke award winner Michael Peca .. yeah he was a -4 aswell .. nobody bashed him .. most of the league struggled last season because nobody truely knew what to expect .. now with adjustments we’ll see some change

Honestly Gill isnt as bad as everyone seems .. hes the perfect stay at home defenceman the Leafs truely need. We all know he isnt a guy who will put up points and we honestly dont need that

so go ahead and bash because some may not like my opinions but im stating facts like it or not.

NOW here we go .. lets talk some trades and such

If i was to be asked if the Leafs would make the playoff’s this season, i would honestly have to say yes simply because they have improved there team, they made all the right moves by letting go of the right players and bringing in the right players .. maybe not the right prices but none of us can say anything .. its simply not our money .. but if it was my team for a day here is what i wuld honestly do.

Since Nashville is curriently shopping wingers .. the 1st thought that would go through my head is screw Carter. for the amount of money he wants .. it aint worth it .. c’mon 3 mill for a guy who played along side 2 great skilled playmakers last season and only put up 55 points, he truely isnt worth it.

Ferguson should seriously take a look at Nashville’s wingers .. He should offer a deal like this

To Nashville : 2nd Pick in 2007..5th pick in 2008

To Toronto : Erat OR Hartnell

I Know we need a “star” for Sundin but honestly these 2 guys played on the 2nd/3rd line for Nashville last season and put up some pretty nice numbers (48 for Hartnell, 49 for Erat)

Erat is starting to show he can be a capable playmaker. I think he would excell on Sundins wing. Hartnell could be a nice powerforward for Sundin aswell .. but honestly i believe we need a playmaker or scorer who will match up nice with Sundin .. but Hartnell would fit nice on a line with Peca and Tucker .. that would be the perfect shutdown line.

Some other deals/ signings i believe ferguson should think about is this

Sign Daze to a 1 year deal worth around 1 million

Make An Offer to Morozov for 3 years worth 1.5

Any Other opinions on what the Leafs should do .. send away!


23 Responses to Leafs Off-season/ Up-coming season 06/07

  1. The-President says:

    Please submit the article right!!!

    It would take more then that to get Erat, maybe, Telly, and Kronwall, and a conditional pick. Morozov would not sign for that low of a contract, it would be in the 3 mil a year vacinity, not 1.5… Personally I think the Leafs should trade their dead weight, open more cap space, screw carter, and sign Berezin for the league minimum, and also sign Morozov for around 3 mil.

  2. Hoondog2 says:

    Berezin-we dont need a puck hog back-whos he gonna play with, himself? The Morozov option is very interesting-why arent people lining up to sign this guy, he finished second in scoring and had 1 more point than Malkin last year in the Russian league. Anybody know more about this guy, and why he isnt here?

  3. GoalJudge says:

    Carter is a deadbeat, forget him.

    I would sooner play a Timbit then him.

    Erat would be a great pick-up, he has been improving every year dispite lower level Ice Time.

    He is a great under the radar guy. And a lot of teams are quietly taking an interest in him.

    Hartnell has an Edge that the Pred’s now lack, so I expect him to stick around.

    Morozov has signed with a Russian team again, so I don’t think we’ll here much out of him. He, like Carter, wanted to walk in at 3 million, and feels we should be thankful for it. Nice try.

    Morozov may have an out if an NHL team comes calling, but don’t expect that unless a top team loses a top winger and needs a mid-level playmaker to fill the spot.

    Daze is another Lindros, only worse.

    Remember, this is supposed to be a upper-middle class player who got CUT by Ottawa.

    Ottawa’s 4th line spot was a powder puff appointment last year and he couldn’t even get that. He is washed out. He may linger on for a year or two, and get 30-40 points in 40-50 games at best. but you’ll never get another full season out of this guy. He couldn’t hack it after a full year of rest. He is done. Even at the minimum he merely takes the spot away from a younger player who could be developing.

    Only a bottom of the barrel team with no depth of its own should even consider this guy. Or put him on the farm and see if he can regain his status. Thats what happened to Battaglia. Its taken him two plus years to get another shot.

  4. Aetherial says:

    The Leafs are tapped out as far as the cap. They need to leave a couple million buffer for injuries. Any idea of bringing anyone in, has to include very close to the same amount of contract money going out.

    So… a 5th rounder and a 3rd rounder for some winger somewhere isn’t happening.

    My guess is that they start the season with the current roster and see how it plays out before making decisions on what needs to be brought in.

  5. GoalJudge says:

    That was Arnason on Ottawa last year.

    Even Still, Daze is a wash.

    Must apologize again. I had a memory lapse, it rarely happens. I get one people for bad reporting so I can only beat myself up when I do the same.

    Again, sorry, but DAZE is done.

    HE himself claims his back is 100% and is training ahead of camp, but likely won’t live up to his former potential.

  6. GoalJudge says:

    I think he actually finnished 1st in scoring and Malkin was second.

    I may be mistaken.

    However, Morozov wants to walk over on a 3 million plus ticket. For a guy he proved that he couldn’t do it on his own in Pittsburgh.

    He is an interesting idea, because he is a very good support player, but he gets his points from being on-line with othter players, a lot of extra-man/3rd man Assists.

    He is a better gamble than most. he is coming out of at least a TOP 2 finnish in a highly defensive oriented league, so it would be interesting to see him play in a more wide open game.

    Again though, he has resigned in Russia.

  7. 92-93 says:

    1) i am totally with you on this season: i am SO FRIGGIN’ PUMPED ABOUT IT. bring it on!!!

    2) Gill: don’t put too much faith in the +/- and certainly don’t – as many leaf fans love to do – put the blame of both Raycroft and Gill’s struggles on Boston as a team. they were a PART of that team and they sucked. hopefully they will not suck with the leafs. i, on the other hand, dont see why putting on the blue and white jersey after being rewarded with larger contracts for sucking will result in them playing better for the Leafs.

    3) Gill is NOT the kind of stay-at-home defensemen that that leafs need. McKee or Mitchell was. NOT GILL. Gill is at the very slow, immobile end of the spectrum when it comes to stay-at-home blueliners. to pay him 2.1 million, when you have younger defensemen coming up, was retarded.

    4) the same can be said about the Kubina signing. so here’s the logic: we have 2 offensive blueliners in McCabe and Kaberle, we have 3 upcoming 2-way defensemen in white, Coliacovo, and Bell (one of which could make it), so we need ANOTHER offensive blueliner??? um, no. and we need to take up 5 million of a 44 million cap for 4 years with this guy???? um, no.

    but hey, i guess we are going to see an exciting offensive blueline squad that is going to make up for the supposed lack of offense on the forward lines (which i dont believe is going to lack offense by the way). the only thing is, we will have no good defensemen to protect Raycroft/Aubin/Telly.

    5) JFJ DID make all the right deletions – with exception of bringing back Belak.

    6) i totally agree about looking at the 2 Nashwille wingers you suggested. Carter is much older and expensive then these 2 guys (Dumont would have been better and younger too – and 2.5 million only, boy, i guess that 2.1 million Gill signing kind of stinks now doesn’t it?).

    however, if that is all you are going to offer, you know nothing about hockey. why, … WHY would nashville make this deal?!?! I agree with your reasoning from a leafs point of view, but like many leaf fans on this site, you do NOT take the perspective of the other team into account. that is why this proposal has no value whatsoever.

    Also, don’t sign Daze – dont need him. Don’t sign Morozov, who will be wanting more money (although i dont think he is going to get it). wait for the young guys to come up even if there arent many of them.

    7) once again, the only thing JFJ needed to do: sign or trade for a solid winger and sign McKee. that is it. 3 openings for young leaf defensemen. they would be 2-3 million below the cap and have a faster, more mobile squad.

    8) as for Raycroft, i hope he does well and its a gamble that at least is being taken on a younger 26 year old with some upside. will it work? i hope so but i aint holding my breath.

  8. 92-93 says:

    who do you think is their dead weight?

    my opinion is Belak, Gill and that is about it (thanks to the necessary deletions made by JFJ).

    but as the season goes on, i can see the leafs making decisions on other possible ‘dead weight’ candidates: Peca, O’Neill, Telly/Aubin, Antropov, etc.

    even Tucker might be sent off just because he is a free agent next season.

  9. 92-93 says:

    that is what i said below. you have to have a guy like Tucker or – if i had my wish – Gill or Kubina going the other way.

    they arent going to make anymore changes. its all about the training camp now, seeing which defensemen make the cut, which of Telly or Aubin to get rid of, and whether Suglobov or Williams make the team (my hope is on the latter).

    even though the leafs arent going to do much this year, i am still pumped about this year.

    maybe this is the last year under JFJ’s reign?

    maybe Gill, Belak, even Kubina do get traded by the end of the year (although no one is going to trade for Kubina with his 5 million a year).

  10. 92-93 says:

    i think another, more long-term move – one that would probably be done by a Leaf GM not named Ferguson – would be to trade off the dead weight of the leafs …

    Gill, Belak, and whoever doesn’t perform this year (Aubin/Telly, Antropov, O’Neill, Peca, Kubina) …

    to clear cap space for signing a top-line UFA winger out of Phoenix, whoever is available i.e. Doan or Nagy.

    both will command 4-6 million and both can compliment Sundin, who has an option with the leafs next year.

    this doesn’t necessarily give the leafs more cap space (although it might depending on who the leafs trade or let go).

  11. Aetherial says:

    Well, if Kubina has a good year, he may become tradeable, even at that price, the way D-men are being paid these days!

  12. Alozo07 says:

    ok heres my trade i would like to see telly harrison and 2nd round pick for a decent 2nd line winger. then if his contract was small sign berizin

  13. Hoondog2 says:

    I personally dont think they need to make a move yet.

    Let’s see some of the young guys before making any decisions.

    There’s a couple of sleepers in the system that may do better than we think! for example: Eric Westrum was 2nd in scoring in the AHL last year, ahead of the much talked about Patrick O’sullivan, Dustin Penner, Jarkko Immonen, Nigel Dawes and John Pohl was not far behind!

    Westrum—–71 gp—-98 pts

    O’sullivan–78 gp—-93 pts

    Penner——57 gp—-84 pts

    John Pohl—60 gp—-75 pts

    Immonen—–74 gp—-70 pts

    Dawes——-77 gp—-67 pts

    Thats to give you an idea where these resourceful pick-ups by the much maligned JFJ sit!

    You dont hear as much about our guys because the Leafs arent allowed to have “real prospects”, but the evidence is there!

    They’re both centres, but maybe they can shift to wing(everyone else is doin it)or maybe they play some one out of a job? Lets wait and see.

    Gonna be a good season!

  14. Aetherial says:

    I thought Immonen was traded to the Rangers in the Leetch deal? Am I confused?

  15. GoalJudge says:

    No your not confusesd. Totally.

    Your just missing the point a little.

    He was merely making mention of some of the better prospects at Center that Toronto has, rather for deal for one, bring one up.

    Should happen with Pohl this year.

    Westrum is next year or later this season.

    They want to see how good he can be. If only to trade him, like everyone else.

    Toronto is too deep at Center and something or somebody has to give. Antropov, Stajan, Steen, Pohl, Westrum, Wellwood, are all younger centers on the team (Antro is a stretch for young). Steem has converted to wing for now, just to play with Sundin. Antropov has done the same in the past. That still leaves a minimum of four guys for two spots. Assuming of course that Peca does a decent enough job on the Second Line.

    But then you have Stajan and Wellwood who are also priming for that job. They start becoming a waste of talent on the third line. So someone will be leaving sometime in the near future. Steen aside, and just maybe Wellwood, are possible to be good converts to the wing with no serious production drop, if at all.

    Stajan, however, is much better as a two-way centerman. And would dwindle on the third line without scoring help. He could be good for another shut down line with say Kilger, and or Antropov. But then what is Peca there for. Certainly not to be a 20+ goal scorer I hope.

    That’s my take.

  16. 92-93 says:

    let us hope.

    let us hope that Kubina makes it tough on toronto to trade him in a positive sense- re: he plays so well that the leafs dont want to trade him.

    this year my main hope is on 4 things:

    1) the young defensemen, especially Coliacovo finally getting a chance (and Coliacovo not getting injured).

    2) Paul Maurice instilling a new ‘no-nights-off’ system.

    3) Seeing young forwards like Steen, Wellwood, STajan and Poni develop and a solid rookie year from Pohl and/or Suglobov and Williams.

    4) Raycroft regaining his form.

    thats all leaf fans have right now. hope in the younger leafs displaying the skill and talent that gives leafs fans hope for the future, a time when the Belaks, Gills, etc. are gone.

  17. 92-93 says:

    i think the original post is totally stunned. Westrum is not a young prospect like the other guys he mentioned. he is more like an older prospect like Pohl in the sense that he is not expected to produce that much at the NHL level and only produced at the AHL level because

    a) its the AHL

    b) he had solid linemates

    Westrum and Pohl will be 4th line and if they really excel, 3rd line players.

    the orginal post put waaaay too much stock in AHL stats.

  18. 92-93 says:

    and i totally agree about your point about STajan. he MUST play centre, and not the wing. he is just too good and solid at centre and his talents are wasted on the wing. Steen has the kind of skill that suits the wing, even if he is a natrual centre.

    thankfully, the leafs are drafting and developing wingers like Earl and Tlusty, but there’s not enough of them in the organziation and they are a couple of years away.

  19. Aetherial says:

    Yeah, I feel the same way.

    I am kind of excited about this year even with the obvious problems.

    There will be some good young players, playing prominent roles. Maybe Raycroft will return to form. Maybe Kubina and Gill will perform well (giving us a VERY nice top 4)…

    Lot’s of maybe’s here, but I think what people always forget is that EVERY TEAM IN EVERY SPORT needs a lot of their “maybes” to come through, over a number of years usually, before they can be built into contenders. Sometimes the criticism levelled against the Leafs is not entirely fair.

    Under this CBA especially, every team will have holes in it, all the time. The successful ones will have depth, youth, and a few players every year who make very big, unexpected, contributions.

    The Leafs have Depth at D and goalie (albeit question marks in net), and are “ok”, not great, at forward.

    I see Sundin gone after this year, and O’Neil, and I see a much younger forward squad with greater speed…

    Basically, I see the Leafs building towards a Sabres-like team.

    We can hope 🙂

  20. mojo19 says:

    Erat or Hartnell will be traded for a non roster player/draft picks. The whole reason they’re being shopped is to make roster room.

  21. goleafsgo16 says:

    Here is what we should do. First off trade Antropov for 3rd rounder. Then trade, stajan,harrison,draft pick for Nikolai Zherdev.

  22. Hoondog2 says:

    I’m not saying they’re top-notch young prospects, but in these rebuilding years they are good filler to compliment a not bad team if need be. The Leafs have been a damaged franchise for a while, and while i agree they have some decent young players, they’ve lost a lot as well. These F.A. signings give us options while the system is replenished!

  23. 92-93 says:

    youre right there. they need all the depth they can get until their system is restocked, which takes years.

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