Leafs, Phaneuf getting closer to extension

The Toronto Maple Leafs remain in constant communication with Dion Phaneuf’s agent, as the two sides continue to work towards a long-term contract extension.

Phaneuf, 28, is in the final-year of a six-year, $39 million contract and can become an unrestricted free agent next summer.

However, it’s believed a new deal is getting closer with the Leafs.

According to TSN Hockey Insider Darren Dreger, speaking during the network’s Insider Trading segment on Tuesday night, Phaneuf’s “deal will get done to keep him captain of the Maple Leafs.”

It has been widely reported that Phaneuf’s next contract will be seven or eight years, and worth at least $7 million per season.

http://www.thefourthperiod.com/news/tor131217.html


71 Responses to Leafs, Phaneuf getting closer to extension

  1. leafmeister says:

    Within a month of signing this deal Phaneuf will go back to his usual standard of play, the team will continue its spiral, and we’ll be stuck with this bum.

    I will eat my shirt if I am wrong.

    • leafy says:

      Let’s also remember that he’s in his prime right now. If Leaf fans are divided on him while he’s in his prime, just imagine how it’s going to be like when he gets into the latter stages of his career. If he loses a step (and even now doesn’t skate like Duncan Keith), he’s gonna be a whipping boy for a long time.

  2. leafy says:

    I don’t like it.

  3. leafy says:

    Even if Phaneuf is a superstar (which he’s not), why not wait until the March deadline and re-assess. If you’re out of it, trade him for assets. Desperate teams would overpay big time for him.

    If the Leafs were close to winning a Stanley Cup this year, it would be a different story. Is Phaneuf THAT good that you would lock him up long term for big bucks – and at a pivotal time when you’re not certain if this team will contend in the next year or so?

    • leafmeister says:

      Yeah there is no doubt in my mind resigning Phaneuf is a mistake. It is just so difficult to imagine this actually working out. Deep down I think every Leafs fan knows it. We have heard this song before.

      Unfortunately, there is also no doubt in my mind that it will get done. Being a Leafs fan is tough.

        • LN91 says:

          It seems like Leaf fans are split on their likeness or dis-likeness of Phaneuf.

          However, MLSE has billed him as some star, so everyone has this impression that he is a star or should be treated like one. He’s another example of overvaluing a player.

          It happened with McCabe, Jason Blake, Kaberle, Komisarek, etc since the lockout. Sadly, everyone will be ridiculing Phaneuf soon enough and Toronto will most likely (if they can) trade him down the road for nothing.

          It’s been a viscous cycle that has plagued the Leafs.

  4. LN91 says:

    Also, was anyone annoyed that Kadri was humiliated by an 18-year old rookie?

    • leafy says:

      True, but at least with Kadri, we can say that he’s still growing as a player. Still relatively young, although it’s clear he won’t be a stud forward. Probably a fairly solid point producer, but not a stud.

      • LN91 says:

        Oh I agree, I think Kadri will be a solid second-line center. However, I disagree with Josh’s opinions that he will be a first-line center. He just does not have the game for it, the last 2 games was an exclamation mark on that. The Fan590 even mentioned on the radio today that he’s been terrible all year, mostly invisible.

        I think everyone should be realistic on Kadri…Not fair that he has all this pressure on him and negativity, when they’re once again overvaluing a player.

        • reinjosh says:

          Only in Toronto do 2 games determine whether or not a 23 year old becomes a first liner.

          He hasn’t even played in two seasons worth of games yet. Here’s a fun concept, young players sometimes take a little bit to put things together.

          Henrik Sedin took until his 5th season to break 50 points, Daniel took 4, and neither put up 70 plus until their 5th seasons.

          Ryan Getzlaf had only 97 points over his first 139 games, a .69 PPG pace. Kadri has 85 over 131, a 0.65 PPG pace. Jason Spezza had 0.68 PPG over his first 111 games.

          Popular Leaf trade target Ryan O’Reilly had 107 points over his first 236 games and is scoring just under Kadri currently. Derek fucking Stepan has the same amount of points in 2 more games, and yet everyone loves to consider him a first line center. And Claude Giroux has 4 more points only than Kadri, and also had only 4 more last year.

          I just don’t agree that he doesn’t have the potential for it. Do I think he’s a lock to reach it? No, but why limit a player who has more talent than nearly anyone on our team save for Kessel.

          Leaf fans problem isn’t unrealistic expectations, it’s this moronic idea of set expectations. It’s this idea that so and so player can only be a 3rd pairing defender, or so and so player is going to be a first line center.

          Let’s take a step back and let the player play. Let his play define his expectations, not some ridiculous and arbitrarily decided notion that he either is or isn’t so and so level of player.

          I mean fuck, the kid hasn’t even played a full two seasons worth of games and he’s barely 23 years old. Let’s let him set the expectations for him, not do it for him.

          • LN91 says:

            Josh, Giroux was an impact player at 21/22 years of age. O’Reilly made an impressive mark at the age of 18 with his two-way play. Getzlaf is a completely different player then Kadri, power players take awhile to develop most of the team, look at a guy like JVR.

            Me and leafy never said the guy sucks or trade him, but it’s important to not overvalue him and be negative towards him because it’s just not fair. Can Kadri be a first-line center? Maybe, but I highly doubt it.

            • leafmeister says:

              I don’t really get the sense you two are arguing, rather just putting positive and negative spins on the same player. Do both of you not agree that he is a top 6 forward who is likely best suited for a 2nd line role? I rarely see anything else argued.

              • LN91 says:

                I agree, I just don’t think the assumptions of him being a first-line player is accurate or fair to him. He will always disappoint fans because of it, it’s dumb.

              • reinjosh says:

                Actually I don’t agree with that statement.

                right now he is currently better suited for that role.

                However I see no reason to suggest that he couldn’t be a top line player down the road. That’s what I’m arguing.

                Personally I have always suggested Kadri has had top line potential, and is going to reach it. That’s probably what LN91 is referring to. Ever since Kadri was drafted I’ve been of this mindset.

                • mapleleafsfan says:

                  I agree. If Kadri can find a way to compete every night, I see him as a top line talent. Do people really forget how amazing he was when he was on his tear last season? The thing I don’t get about Kadri is it looks like he’s not trying half the time. I want him back on a line with Lupul seems to bring the best out of linemates (although Lupul’s been MIA for a while).

                  • LN91 says:

                    It’s easier for him when he’s back with Lupul…Because he’s not facing top-line talent when he does.

                    • mapleleafsfan says:

                      The whole second line opponent argument against him last year holds little weight. Even if you wanna dive into advanced stats, the quality of competition he faced was on par with Kessel. He was torching what ever pairing he was against. He’s simply just not playing as well this season as he was last season, I don’t think the defenders are the issue.

                    • LN91 says:

                      He played a majority of the second-line or third-line last year MLF. Most of the competition was on Grabovski, why do you think his numbers dipped so badly last season?

                    • mapleleafsfan says:

                      Grabos quality of competition was virtually the same also. Grabo played more of a defensive role though, I agree.

                      Anyways, advanced stats are flawed. If kadri gets his game back, he’s got it in him to be a first liner IMO.

                      Anyways, we lack Lafleurs crystal ball to see the future, so only time will tell.

            • reinjosh says:

              The point is development is a completely different thing for players, and many impactful players had similar starts to their careers. Putting an arbitrary hold on Kadri is dumb.

              And Giroux was an impact player at 21/22. Guess who put up a nearly identical point pace at the same age?

              Oh right, Kadri.

              • LN91 says:

                Points are not everything josh, it runs deeper then that. If you cannot look past points and offensive skill, then you really don’t know anything about the game.

                Kadri does not have the strong defensive game or hockey IQ to be the top-line talent you suggest. Why else would he be compared to Ribeiro?

                • mapleleafsfan says:

                  Sure points aren’t the only factor, but if he can improve his faceoff abilities and his work ethic, I see no reason he can’t be a first line C. Plenty of great 1Cs aren’t great two way players. If you can win draws, and put up PPG, the rest of your defensive game can lack. Kadri is also a huge pest. When he’s on he gets under players skin like no other. Kadri drew 3 penalties / 60 minutes last year, tops of anyone in the league aside from Kaleta I believe (who takes a crap load himself). He brings a lot to the table when he’s on.

                  Also, in what world does Ribeiro have poor hockey IQ? That’s one of his greatest assets.

                  • LN91 says:

                    I said Kadri and IQ…Not Ribeiro, I meant overall package.

                    The first goal from last night is a classic example of somehow, like Phaneuf, he tends to make poor decisions. He should have just dumped it into the corner. It’s huge aspect when you think about it.

                    • mapleleafsfan says:

                      Ah my mistake.

                      Yea, Kadri makes some dumb plays for sure but I think some of it you can chalk up to immaturity and some of it is his lack of effort, which he really needs to work on.

                      When he’s going hard, putting up points, throwing big hits and getting under the other teams skins – he looks like the one of the best players on the ice.

          • Hardly a fair assessment. The players you compared him to do other things than just score points. Is Derek Stepan a 1C? Eh, probably not on any real competitive team. The point in, these guys do more than just show they have the most skill/second most skill on the team. Hey, BenoĆ®t_Pouliot has an amazing set of skill, but he’s dumb as rocks and will never be a top winger.

        • lafleur10 says:

          ln91 would you take galchenyuk over kadri?

          • LN91 says:

            Yes, I think that’s a pretty dumb question though haha. Galchenyuk is an unreal talent.

            Would you take Kessel over Gionta? haha.

            • doorman says:

              HE PROBABLY WOULDN’T LOL

              • LN91 says:

                Seriously, he will probably find away to argue that a winger on MTL is better then Kessel or JVR…But none has produced to prove it haha.

                Ahh, lafleur.

                • doorman says:

                  Are you telling me they aren’t? lol

                  • LN91 says:

                    No, they are…I mean MTL wingers aha. Pacioretty is probably their best winger, but I would not take him over JVR or Kessel.

                    • lafleur10 says:

                      that’s because your an idiot pacioerrty is a 30 goal man jvr hasn’t even scored 20 yet how come it’s so jhard for you to admit pacioretty is better than jvr
                      it’s not hard for you to admit glachenyuk is better than kadri or price is better than both bernier and reimer or subban better than any leafs d=man

                    • LN91 says:

                      No one in the NHL would take Pacioretty over JVR or Kessel lafleur…Yes about the rest, but not Pacioretty.

                      JVR and Kessel are locks for Team USA…Pacioretty is a bubble player.

                • lafleur10 says:

                  what is the almighty jvr or kessel doing for you? nothing are they scoring goals? they are doing as much as your team is right now

                  • LN91 says:

                    Kessel has 32 points in 35 games and JVR has 26 points as well ,lafleur. More then any Canadian forward. Also, only a -1 combined…So, yeah. They’ve been doing their job. The rest of the team has struggled.

                    • lafleur10 says:

                      javr has 14 goals in 34 games pacioretty has 14 in 27 games and jvr only has 7 points more..pacioretty missed games with an injury pacioretty is a +2 jvr is a -1 it’s not that different between them however because of patches 30 goal season i’d give him an edge

                    • LN91 says:

                      JVR is a lock for the second-line lafleur…Everyone knows that, I could care less what your opinion is. Matter of fact, him and Kessel will be the second-line for USA.

                      Meanwhile, Patches is fighting for 4th line minutes. So yeah, he is a lock for Team USA.

                  • lafleur10 says:

                    only a leafs fan would say that pacioretty is far more valuable than jvr pacioretty is a 30 goal jvr isn’t i wouldn’t say jvr is a lock for team usa

                    • leafy says:

                      Wait Lafleur.
                      Pacioretty has 68 G in 246 games. JVR has 65 G in 244 games. Virtually identical stats.
                      Considering the Leafs almost never have the puck, I’d say JVR is doing as good, if not better, than Pacioretty.

              • mapleleafsfan says:

                He definitely will. He’s gonna come in on a caps-lock rampage about how gionta has more career points and the stats don’t lie!!!

                And then feel the need to tell us how easily our D gets exposed because I think he’s gone one post without mentioning it.

                • lafleur10 says:

                  your defence is terrible and princess phaneuf is leading the way

                • lafleur10 says:

                  WAIT LEAFY
                  VAN REIMSDYK HAS PLAYED 278 GAMES 79 GOALS 78 FOR 157 POINTS
                  PACIORETTY HAS PLAYED 273 GAMES HAS 82 GOALS
                  89 ASISSTS FOR 171 POINTS
                  PACIORETTY HAS PLAYED 5 GAMES LESS HAS 16 POINTS MORE PRETTY EVEN STATS HOWEVER BECAUSE OF PATCHES 30 GOAL SEASON I GIVE HIM A SLIGHT EDGE

                  • mapleleafsfan says:

                    Ah, I see you’ve found your caps lock key again.

                    Patches was a playoff monster last year, so I give the nod to him. Clutch players are huge in the olympics.

                  • leafy says:

                    Come on man, that’s a negligible difference. Statistical tie.

                    I am fully confident JVR will have a better career than Pacioretty. It’s like comparing a Mercedes to a Volkswagen(Pacioretty is the Volkswagen).

                    • lafleur10 says:

                      more like pacioretty is a boss 302 and jvr is a toyota tercel ..lol i think pacioretty will have the better career personally

                  • mojo19 says:

                    USA won’t care about his 30 goal season a couple years ago, what have they done lately?

                    Last year and this season’s combined point totals after a total of 82 and 81 GP respectively:

                    JVR – 32 G, 26 A (58 pts)
                    Pacroiyetti – 29 G, 28 A (57 pts)

                    Almost identical numbers.

                    • LN91 says:

                      Can we also point out the obvious…Pacioretty had his breakout a few years back while JVR had his last year.

                      I agree with leafy, JVR will have the better career. More skilled.

                    • LN91 says:

                      If were going by statistics, Lupuls numbers far exceeds those 2…Including Patches and his this year.

                    • lafleur10 says:

                      yeah they are and they both will probably make team usa

  5. doorman says:

    I know everyone is going to say they hate this, me I don’t. Go ahead bash away, lol. Fact is this is the price of a top end NHL dman heading to UFA status. I know there are those who will say he isn’t even a top pairing dman, to you I say ok, name me 60 better dman, go. The cap is going up more then we thought and is going to keep rising. it is what it is accept it and move on. We have bigger problems then Dion making a mil or more then he should, lol.

  6. doorman says:

    I can’t remember which station I saw it on but they were showing the difference with him in and out of the line up believe it or not they play better with him in it. He has accepted being a lightening rod and hasn’t runaway from the media or placing blame on teammates, he has earned my respect. That is just my opinion and I am wrong several times a day, lol.

    • LN91 says:

      Haha, atleast theirs someone who can admit they’re wrong.

      I just believe he will revert back to his old ways after he gets that deal, it’s called shirking for players in economic terms. I just find it hard to swallow that he will make Subban money, when I know that one guy provides alot more to the table.

      • doorman says:

        I never used to know I was wrong, but my wife has told me apparently I am a lot!!! lol

        I hear what you are saying but it is what it is and there are no viable replacements out there. He plays a lot of tough minutes against big time players. And, fun fact he has Sid’s respect and that says something right there to me at least.

  7. leafy says:

    At the very least, I think we can all agree that a huge blockbuster trade is needed.

    Something tells me a huge trade bomb will drop in the new year. Lots of gigantic trades happen in the new year. The GMs are through with their hangover after getting hammered on booze during the X-mas break.

  8. mojo19 says:

    Phaneuf came out like a house on fire, but overall this year he’s been just okay, and some nights he’s just bad. I don’t know that we’re that much different of a team moving forward without him and I don’t see a need to pay him. I would let him walk and just wait for an opportunity to use the cap space elsewhere. Even with the cap rising I think that’s the thing to do.

    I don’t really give a shit about how many minutes he plays either because they aren’t quality minutes. You could put me out there for 30 minutes a night and the team will lose and I won’t make an impact either. So don’t get swept away with minutes, it’s just because the rest of our D is mostly sub par and inexperienced. Brian Campbell I believe was 2nd or 3rd in the NHL in ice time last year because of the same situation with Florida’s D. Doesn’t make him one of the NHL’s great horses on the back end. It’s just a situational thing.

    Sorry bro’s, I’m not a Phaneuf fan.

    • doorman says:

      Funny thing you know, before Dion was under the microscope people said we couldn’t trade for a player like him, now her is here and garbage, lol. I am not saying he is the end all be all of dmen in the league, he isn’t, but we have chased many a garbage dmen out of town who were lightening rods. In some cases I was glad they were gone in others like Larry Murphy, I shook my head. Simple as this, if the contract is market value and there is no viable replacement, sign him, as the team plays better with then without him.

      • realistic_leafs_fan says:

        I get where you are going with better with him than without him in the line-up. But realistically, we don’t know where we would be without Dion. Dion’s durability is one of his strengths, I mean it’s been 3 years since he missed a game until this year with his suspension. How do we know if we play better without him, he’s never out of the line-up.lol

        • doorman says:

          Ok, fair enough point. So what do you guys trade him for that is a realistic return?

          • realistic_leafs_fan says:

            I’m not saying to trade him. Many have said the defence would be in shambles if he was gone though. Out of the small sample we saw without him, it could easily be argued that the LA game was the best game this year by our defence core…STL, not so much. I would like to re-sign Dion. My issue is term vs money. I really think Dion will be a second pairing guy in Toronto in 3-4 seasons max if Rielly develops as suspected and I don’t want to pay $7+mil for the remaining 3-4 seasons of his contract if he will be a second pairing d-man on this team. So, 3-4 years at $7mil or 6-8 at about $5.75 I am good with.

            • doorman says:

              Problem is at his age and status as an impending UFA, he isn’t signing either of those deals. So keep him or trade him? Trading him signals a rebuild IMO to other players, signing him says we’re close, opinions will vary.

              • realistic_leafs_fan says:

                You may be right on what he will sign…and in that case, I would trade him. I don’t think it sends a rebuild message though unless we moved Lupul and Clarkson as well. We are talking about moving a pending UFA over letting him walk. I think the players would realize that. It would all depend on what the Leafs do with the cap space that would signal rebuild.IMO

  9. LN91 says:

    Wow, screw 24/7 for the Leafs and Red Wings, as its depressing to watch…

    Having a 24/7 of the posters at HTR would be more entertaining.

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