Is Linden about to become the Canucks new president


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  1. nordiques100 says:

    Whomever this person will be, they’ll have to be a miracle worker.

    I can see Kesler, Burrows, Higgins, Booth, one if not both of Bieska and Edler all moved.

    They also need to get way younger and address their goaltending. Oh is that all?

    At least now the Leafs and Canucks can talk again. There was no way Gillis would make any deal with the Leafs unless it was Chris Higgins for Kessel, JVR and Gardiner.

    • leafs_wallace93 says:

      How great would Hamhuis look on our blueliner?

      Pipe dream given I doubt rebuild is in the Canucks vocabulary.

      Although they clearly need goaltending Canuck fans are really big on Lack much like Leaf fans once were on Reimer (who I think would be a good fit in Vancouver). Don’t think their is a rush to solve their goaltending issues.

      • nordiques100 says:

        any one of the 4 Canadian teams out west could use Reimer or at least a change in goal.

        I don’t think Lack, Ramo, Scrivens or even Pavelec are long term answers for their respective teams. There could be some market for Reimer.

        Hamhuis would really help settle down Phaneuf. That is what the Leafs need. someone who has a reasonable shot at carrying the load on D with Dion. what the Leafs have now, none of them have that chance to do that. And yes that includes Gardiner and Reilly who are at best defensive liabilities.

        • LN91 says:

          I have no problem with trading Gardiner if a young, bright D-Men with a more shutdown game comes in…

          Like a Gudbranson for Gardiner type deal.

          A Gudbranson/Reilly duo would be similar to a Keith/Seabrook.

          • mojo19 says:

            It would have to be a REALLY good dman, better than Gudbransson.

            Lost in the shuffle of the collapse has been the outstanding play of Jake Gardiner. Leading the rush, making smart pinches, and generating a ton of offence, I would go as far as saying that Jake Gardiner has been the best Leaf for the last month.

            • nordiques100 says:

              still though, not a player you want vs Crosby, OV, Malkin, Giroux, etc. He’s good at what he does, create offence, but he is mistake prone and lacks some hockey sense. And clearly isnt a no. 1 type of guy.

              There’s nothing wrong with having a top offensive defenceman. See Letang, Green, etc. But please, i hope Leaf Nation doesn’t think or truly believe he is a future no. 1 defenceman in the NHL. Please God dont.

            • LN91 says:

              But you have to realize…Gudbranson and Gardiner are 2 completely different types of defencemen.

              One is a mobile offensive guy…And one is a mobile defensive guy. He averages a bunch of minutes a night for a dead-last Florida team.

              Gudbranson can produce more offensively…He’s got a big shot, right-handed, looks well with Reilly.

  2. LN91 says:

    After last nights elimination, you can really seperate guys who gave their all…To guys who did not:

    Carlyle, for all this stupid blame from Leaf Nation, looked emotionally exhausted and loss of words. The guy truly did everything could, and it’s stupid that guys are blaming him.

    Kessel, who said he could have did better? He did everything he could…For the Leafs and Team USA.


    You have guys like Phaneuf, when after an embarrassing loss to Winnipeg…Said his squad did “Everything Possible” to win.

    Who really is the problem on this squad? Think this through.

    As previously mentioned, some guys are locked here for awhile…

    But some parts of this squad (as Leiweke’s past would suggest)…Will be blown up, and I doubt no sane Leaf fan would lose sleep over any departing after this mockery of a season.

    • leafy says:

      If the Leafs do the right thing and lose their remaining two games, they could potentially draft around 10th or 11th overall. That would present the possibility of maybe moving up in the draft. Maybe an impatient Edmonton team can move their pick for immediate help.

    • reinjosh says:

      I’m sorry but what? Carlyle gets a pass because he looked like he was emotionally exhausted and a loss for words?

      The guy did nothing. Absolutely nothing. When our system got proven over and over again to be flawed, he stubbornly kept trying to make it work. He literally did everything he could to not change. He misused players, threw a goalie under the bus when he literally had very little to do with the teams lack of cohesiveness, he didn’t once try and change his system, and he played young players like they were live hand grenades.

      Carlyle is absolutely to blame for this team’s mess. No coach in this league should see a team go through the kind of struggle it did in November/December and still stick to the same fucking game plan, night in and out. No coach in this league should have his GM tell him to bench Fraser/Ranger in a game because he’s too damn stubborn to see how badly they played before that. No coach in this league should be taking 55 games to see that Franson shouldn’t be playing 20 plus minutes a night.

      Carlyle should have been fired the first major skid the Leafs endured back in November/December. It’s his job to not let his team fall apart, let alone do literally nothing to change up the situation so as to prevent it happening again. Nonis should have fired him then, and deserves the blame for not doing so. Because no coach could possibly do worse with a roster that has the talent the Leafs do than Carlyle has done. Nonis should have recognized that earlier.

      Carlyle deserves every bit of the blame he receives. He’s a terrible coach

      • LN91 says:

        Define terrible? He brought the Leafs a playoff series (after 7 years) and barely loss in Anaheim, has a cup.

        No, the roster is a mis-managed mess. Someone in the dressing room needs to stand up and not let his team fall apart, when your captain falls apart…The issues begin their.

        Everyone close to the situation knows that Carlye stressed every last effort possible. He benched guys, would play them again…He was tough, he was easy. He made them work, he relaxed them. HE TRIED EVERYTHING POSSIBLE…And I do not doubt that for one second.

        • reinjosh says:

          He has a cup in the NHL of old. I’ve explained in many many posts why he’s a terrible coach. He constantly mismanages players. He hasn’t developed a true young player since Perry and Getzlaf. He constantly misuses players and stubbornly and arrogantly refuses to try them in situations he doesn’t want (even though everyone and their mother can see what a better situation for said player is. Lupul, MacArthur, Kadri, Clarkson, Grabo, Franson and the list goes on).

          Look at what Boudreau did with literally the same roster that Carlyle had almost immediately after he left? Turned it right around and started winning.

          Carlyle is absolutely terrible. Two historic collapses under him. The coaches job is to prevent those. This team absolutely has the talent to beat teams like Boston, they proved it until the final period in the playoffs last year. One historic collapse could be excused but two? It’s the coaches job to talk to his team and create mental stability and strenght.

          Benching players, yelling at them, working them, relaxing them. That’s not coaching. That’s only part of it. When you can’t see that the team you have doesn’t fit the system you employ, you change it. His system didn’t work in Anaheim after his cup and he still kept trying to work it. It didn’t work here and he still kept trying to work it.

          YOu know what he could have done? Something every single Leaf fan on the planet figured out after game ten? Change the damn system.

          Carlyle didn’t, wouldn’t, whatever. He didn’t coach. Therefore, he’s not a good coach.

          Pretty simple actually.

          You don’t run a struggling business by trying the stick to the same old business plan over and over again. If it keeps failing, you change up the business plan.

          • mojo19 says:

            Plenty of blame to go around here.

            LN91, if you want to make excuses for Carlyle I think it’s warranted to a degree, I can see how you came to a defensive stance regarding the coach with so many people putting all the blame on him. However, I wouldn’t go overboard with it, he clearly isn’t getting through to this group.

            Josh, you seem to be falling into the trap of exactly what I was talking about, putting all the blame on Randy and defending the leadership amongst the players, namely Dion Phaneuf. I’m half inclined to tell you off and tell you to go post on the Pension Puppet propaganda website. Of course criticism of the coaching staff is warranted, but this same core leadership group fell apart 2 years ago under Ron Wilson as well, I think not pointing fingers at Dion Phaneuf and only Carlyle reeks of bias on the end of the spectrum.

            There’s plenty of blame to go around here. Personally, I’ve been a Phaneuf fan, then a Phaneuf apologist, and gradually turned into a Phaneuf hater. He makes the later years of Bryan McCabe look like Nik Lidstrom.

            • mojo19 says:

              the *other* end of the spectrum

            • LN91 says:

              I do not disagree with the fact he could not get through to this group…As he could not, anyone who watched this team play knew that.

              HOWEVER, does that make Carlyle a terrible coach? OR is a testament to the type of characters/players that currently fill the Leafs dressing room. I’m going with the latter…As I do not think Carlyle (or many others) is a bad coach.

              Firing Carlyle…Is a Pension Plan Puppet move that the blue collar fans scream for, which is why Josh is a huge proponent of it.

              These issues have been repetitive for years…But the team has never tried to shakeup the core, which clearly has failed.

            • nordiques100 says:

              no one is blameless except maybe Bernier who’s only fault is that he can’t seem to stay healthy.

      • leafs_wallace93 says:

        Did he have a system? All I saw between periods on HBO was Caryle saying… SKATE, SKATE, KEEP YOUR FEET MOVING, SKATE, YOU’RE NOT SKATING, WHEN YOU SKATE GOOD THINGS HAPPEN, f’ing toaster, SKATE!

        And all this he was a Norris winner stuff, ok, in what the 80s, where a typical game is 6-5 and now he’s a defensive system expert.

        Anyone playing Franson close to twenty minutes should be fired.

  3. LN91 says:

    Nightmare situation after next-season:

    – Phaneuf 7 mil
    – Clarkson 5.25 mil
    – Kadri 5.5 mil
    – Bolland 5 mil (Doubt he will be re-signed)

    Talk about destroying your cap with mediocre players.

    • leafy says:

      Bolland is a good player. Hard to play with one leg.

      • leafmeister says:

        There is no way he should be resigned though. I’d be nervous about signing him to any contract of significant term, even with a lowered cap hit. That injury is just too unpredictable, and Bolland’s high end potential simply not worth the risk.

        • leafy says:

          That’s true, especially for that money.

          • mojo19 says:

            Did you hear during the Tampa game they were mentioning how Stamkos still doesn’t have 100% movement in his injured leg, and that the acceleration is what was most affected. Good chance Bolland will come back next year close to what he was, but good chance he’ll never quite have the same speed.

  4. leafy says:

    The Leafs should make a huge blockbuster trade in the off season to spice things up.

    • nordiques100 says:

      I agree.

      But what do you do with Nonis/Carlyle?

      Is this as far as they can bring the Leafs?

      It must been the same question Vancouver asked last summer and they decided to change the coach. Now the GM is gone and likely whomever joins Linden will want a new coach too.

      Should the Leafs wait that long or do something now? Something now would be nice but there is no one out there who is currently unemployed that fits

      • leafy says:

        Probably a little bit of everything is needed. Carlyle is yesterday’s newspaper. Throw him out. Bring in a new teacher with a new system (or A system).

        That being said, the second or third lines need an overhaul. I’d like to know the shots for and against when the 1st line was on the ice versus the 2nd and 3rd line. I’ll bet we avaraged -20 in shot differential when lines 2 and 3 were playing, and +10 or +15 when the first line was playing. There’s a huge disparity in the lines caused by lack of depth. Too many “nothing special” players.

        • nordiques100 says:

          Im not sure on that. Quite often the top line struggled as much as the next line with getting the puck out.

          Kessel has been a giveaway machine the last 2 months. They can get away with it but since he’s soft on the puck as is Bozak, it compounds problems in the zone unfortunately.

          And as we’ve seen the D can’t handle any sort of adversity.

          • leafy says:

            Maybe a bona fide first line center with a strong 2-way game would solve most of these problems.

            • LN91 says:

              Or…Go the Boston route and get a guy like Kesler to provide more offence, better defence on the second-line.

              That’s why the Leafs missed Grabovski…He basically was a huge factor in being the top-6 center that played well defensively against top-lines.

              Kessel-Bozak-JVR had to be that line…And that is not where you ideally want them.

              The second-line had (probably) the worst, top-six center defensively in the game.

              • leafs_wallace93 says:

                Nonis already f’ed up trying to be like Boston when he signed Clarkson.

                With the talent on our roster we’d better off trying to be the Blackhawks and stop pretending we can be Boston.

                • LN91 says:

                  Is their much of a difference between Chicago and Boston?

                  Chicago might not be as intimidating to play against, but every player on that team is strong 2-way. Especially Toews and Sharp.

          • mojo19 says:

            Phil Kessel, as much he’s been more aware defensively and at times has shown a lot more hussle on the back check, he uses a 75 flex. He’s basically using a wet spaghetti noodle, its no wonder he can’t win puck battles on the boards with a stick like that.

            Of course I wouldn’t sacrifice the flex if that’s what he’s comfortable with while sniping. Don’t wanna take that shot/release away from him. But ya, there’s a defensive sacrifice made.

            Bozak as well, as much as I hated him, I will admit that he played his best hockey ever this season. At the same time he got owned in his own end in a ton of match ups all year. He doesn’t stack up against most 1st line centres. If anything he proved to me this year that he is a 2nd line C, as opposed to my old perception of him as a 3rd line C. Still missing that legit top line C though.

  5. nordiques100 says:

    everyone shares blame for the Leafs losing.

    The top line, 2 of them JVR and Kessel had no PP points from Feb 01 onward. They seemed fatigued after the Olympics/disappointing Olympics.

    Kadri had a decent number of points, but was so inconsistent and atrocious defensively he was a major liability.

    Lupul looks like he was playing hurt and we can say the same for Bolland who probably should not have returned at all.

    But we see the Wings who actually did lose their top 2 players and still overcame everything.

    The had no support scoring at all. Clarkson, Kulemin rarely put up any offence and Raymond was very inconsistent. and their 4th line did nothing on offence at all.

    Their D is not good enough obviously. Dion doesnt get all the blame. The dropoff from Phaneuf to the next best guy is really bad. Thats the personal, Dion not able to help them, management for not getting better players and coaching. Again not just Dion. Dion isnt a number 1, fine. but Gunnarsson, Franson, Gardiner and Reilly are not even top 4. But they were forced there. Thats just wrong.

    i know its sacrilege to say anything bad about Gardiner but i see a guy like Nick Leddy who thrives as the Hawks 5th guy, sheltered, shielded from the playing against the League’s best players.

    Gardiner has to do that often, too often for his own good. And Reilly too, much worse in fact due to him still being a teenager.

    The coaches need to be taken to task too for some of this. they don’t get a free pass because they felt remorse.

    And Nonis built this team. so he has to be responsible as well.

    The only one I really don’t blame is Bernier. He was good all year but simply wore down due to this being the first time he’s played this much and the amount of work he had in all those games. None were very easy for him.

    • LN91 says:

      How can you really blame Kessel/JVR? They really carried a team.

      The other 3-lines were brutal…Lupul just seemed off this season, no real offence from Kulemin/Clarkson.

      Bolland was hurt, Holland was a solid prospect/replacement for the time and gained a valuable learning experience…They maybe should have kept him up.

      Kadri/Raymond were in the same boat…They had decent seasons offensively, but they were inconsistent in that and when they did not have the puck (which was most of the time)…It went into the back of their own net.

      Phaneuf collapsed hard…Not only was he terrible, but his leadership skills should be questioned as he’s a terrible (maybe one of the worst all-time in Leaf land) leader.

      Gleason, was not horrible…Reilly was learning. I don’t mind them 3.

      Franson was terrible, Gunarsson is Gunarsson, and Gardiner declined on the defensive aspect. I would be open to dealing him for a young, little less O and more D, defencemen to pair with Reilly.

      Bernier was the only hope, Reimer sulked.

      • nordiques100 says:

        your top PP unit cant go without scoring though. even kessel blamed himself. He deserves some blame. like all top players do when their teams dont succeed.

      • reinjosh says:

        Lol your ridiculous. Phaneuf deserves blame for the collapse and for falling off after working his ass off for most of the season, yet Carlyle and Kessel/JVR get free passes?

        Your delusional. If Phaneuf gets blamed for the mental collapse, Carlyle should get even more blame for it.

        Also Phaneuf did literally everything for this team. He plays huge minutes, against the teams best players, night in and out basically all by himself. Our next best dman are a 19 year old, a 23 year old with two years combined NHL experience and a guy who is best served as being a 2nd pairing 4 guy. And after 65 plus games of playing high end defense (and damn anyone who says he has lapses. Every dman ever has them…) and doing everything superhumanly possible to carry the ENTIRE defense by himself, he burns out (and I’d bet dollars over donuts he’s injured) he gets crucified.

        It’s ridiculous.

        And Gardiner/Kadri struggled with consistency? Better tell the Captain Obvious that young players sometimes go through growing pains. Better trade them. better blow it up. Better tank, because that’s the only way to build a team. Hurrr durrrrrr

        Fucking fickle Leaf fans. I’m sick of the bullshit.

        • LN91 says:

          Kadri is about to his prime…And he cannot play defence. Sorry, time for him to go.

        • LN91 says:

          How am I fickle? I disliked Phaneuf/Kadri for years…And season, after season. They prove me right 🙂

          • leafmeister says:

            I totally agree on Phaneuf, but I think your Kadri criticism is premature. Defence is more of a science that can be taught by the right coach, in the right system, with the right linemates.

            Kadri’s offensive ability cannot be taught.

            That said, if they can upgrade him (Kadri+ for Skinner?) then I say do it.

          • TmLeafan says:

            You sound pretty smug. Phaneuf and Kadri are good players if you think they are the problem you are delusional.

            Subtract Phaneuf this offseason do you know how bad our defence would be?

        • leafmeister says:

          I see a lot of people attribute Phaneuf’s dogshit play to injuries, but I think that begs a serious question.

          If Phaneuf is actually injured (not discounting that possibility), why is he still playing? If his play is actually because of injuries, he should be smart enough to sit out for a week, or even two weeks to get back into game shape.

          Not only has his play (injured or not) been a total liability to his team of late, but he also risks aggravating the injury. Wouldn’t that be nice if the already overpaid boob of a #1 d-man also added a chronic injury to his resume? Just in time to settle in to a 7 year contract.

          I get he plays against tough players, but he doesn’t crack the top 30 in regards to average ice time. If he can’t handle that, which he certainly hasn’t proven that he can, what exactly makes him a #1 d-man worth all that money?

          • nordiques100 says:

            Phaneuf’s play has nothing to do with injuries.

            Its the huge drop off in talent after him on defence.

            Its also asking him to be both the number 1 guy plus playing his wrong side.

            Boston showed last year, he can be destroyed playing his wrong side. He needs to return to his natural Left Defence position. The problem is our only RH guy is Franson, who is dreadful in his own zone.

            Dion is not in the tier that has Chara, Suter, Weber et al, but he is in that second tier of guys, but like a lot of them, Karlsson, Subban, Green, Letang, they are not guys who can or should be asked to face the other team’s best every game. At least not without proper support.

            This is why i am so keen on Weber, badly. Him and Dion together then yeah, Dion can face OV, Crosby, Stamkos etc without issue. Weber will make him better, Weber will allow Dion to play his normal side and Weber will cover up for Dion.

            Dion with Gunnarsson or Gleason or Franson and thats awful. They know it, we know it, the opponents know it.

            You would see how much better Dion would be. Even with a Hamhuis which was suggested above. He would too be that calming influence yet skilled talent that could bring out a better Dion. That is what Dion needs most.

            How good would Subban be if it was Subban, then Emelin as the next best guy and Tinordi after that? More awful defensively than he is. But Gorges and Markov take so much pressure off, its huge.

            Same in Chicago. Hjalmarsson isnt that far different from Gunnarsson, but he doesnt play against the better guys all the time. Keith and Seabrook do. He gets less exposed. Its important because what Toronto has, they get exposed badly. That has to change.

            they need an acquisition like how the Ducks landed Niedermayer and Pronger.

    • reinjosh says:

      Kessel/JVR/Bozak can only do so much for so long.

      This team needs depth. The pieces they have aren’t bad but they get exposed when they play further because they don’t have proper depth. The stupid top 6/bottom 6 ideal Carlyle loves is a flawed concept in the NHL nowadays.

      • leafy says:

        I think that’s exactly it, and Carlyle is terrible in giving players specific roles. This is why Clarkson didn’t fit in, but might with a new coach.

  6. leafs_wallace93 says:

    So, trade Kadri and Phaneuf then dynasty 🙂

  7. leafs_wallace93 says:

    Places that would realistically take Dion, hell we traded McCabe

    Dallas, NYI, Calgary, Colorado, Buffalo, Carolina, NJ, Columbus and Philly.

    Bury him in a loser market that can’t attract UFAs of their own.

    • mojo19 says:

      I like what you’re thinking Wallace. For some reason I think Carolina might really be interested, especially if Pitkanen goes UFA. Also I believe I heard that Jimmy Rutherford is stepping down, so we’ll see if the new GM would have any interest.

      Of course, we also have to see who’s going to be in charge of the Leafs. Lots of interesting possibilities this offseason.

      • leafs_wallace93 says:

        Just spitballin’ but what about Kadri and Phaneuf for Staal? It’s not like Carolina will do better when trying to move an 8 million dollar cap hit.

  8. 93killer93 says:

    If we lose our last 2 games we’ll be picking between 8-10, depending on what Vancouver and Nashville does. I still think the Leafs should target Edmonton’s pick. Ekblad is the type of player we need, and Edmonton seem desperate to make a move and add players who can help now.

  9. nordiques100 says:

    I figure JVR, Kessel, Bozak will remain for sure, and likely Lupul and Clarkson among the forwards. Thats roughly $27 mil already committed in cap.

    Pretty sure Dion is going nowhere and neither is Reilly. That almost another 8 mil on the books.

    And Bernier is signed one more year at 2.9 million.

    There would be no more Buyouts or retained salary on the books leaving Toronto with roughly $38 million committed for next season to their current should be “core”.

    If the cap goes to the $70 mil expected, that leaves 32 million in cap space.

    Their 3 main RFAs, Franson, Reimer and Gardiner could be trade bait for sure. Reimer and Franson a certainty to be subtracted from the roster.

    The 4 other players under contract, Orr, Kadri, Gleason, Gunnarsson, well Orr could be bought out/demoted, Kadri seems a likely candidate to be traded. Gleason has 2 more years left at $4 mil, he could be moved and Gunnarsson could be an attractive piece as part of a larger, packaged deal.

    Of their 5 UFAs, McClement seems to have the best chance at returning as well as maybe Ranger as a depth guy. Kulemin i see a Penguin, Raymond i see no interest bringing back for any more than what he made last year, and Bolland? Well that is a big questionmark. If he takes a real short term 1 year deal to reprove himself, then yeah, definitely. But with his injury, who really knows. I certainly wouldnt commit to him long term even if i really do like how he plays. Its risky. Too risky.

    I would love to see them go after Weber at all costs. He can change the whole team around. He can give the leafs another leader and a more proven leader and take charge kind of guy. He is an impact player and would impact the team positively like how Chara did with Boston and Suter in Minnesota. He is owed 82 million and is signed for the next 12 seasons. Financially the Leafs should have no trouble forking over that kind of cash.

    Its a matter of the assets that Nashville could/might want. That makes it difficult. But, the Leafs shouldnt sit idle. If he so happens to be made available, Toronto better be right in the thick of it all.

    That’s a player they could go after expelling some of any of the following assets like Franson, Gardiner, Gunnarsson, Reimer, Kadri and high draft picks if need be. I mean if they drop like a stone, certainly a top 8 pick could be worth a lot to the Predators.

    There would certainly be a couple of holdovers from that tradeable group to potentially use to fill other areas such as Centre.

    Certainly the cost friendly contracts of Bodie, McLaren, Leivo, Broll, Grannberg, Ashton and DAmigo can be used as roster fillers to be able to afford the large cap hits.

    And like how they signed Raymond, they can certainly find some cheap fill-ins if need be depending on how much cap they have left.

    I think there is room, and assets for 2 big acquisitions. with enough left over to fill out the rest of the spots.

    Whether thats under coach Carlyle, that remains to be seen.

  10. leafy says:

    Weber would be a fantastic add. And Phaneuf (if he stays) will become better as well, because as a number 2, he won’t be asked to exceed his limits.

    A first line center would be good too, and make Bozak a number 2 which better fits his talent level and balance out the lines.

    • Gambo says:

      I agree that Bozak isn’t a typical 1st line center, but he’s great with Kessel and JVR so I don’t feel a rush to upgrade center for that line. However, if an opportunity to get a better center, still do it.

      Maybe Stastny as an example, but don’t replace Bozak on the top line, put him with Lupul and Clarkson and it could potentially be a 1A/1B.

  11. Gambo says:

    I’m loving all this debate that’s going on above. Josh made some really good points on Carlyle and the Leafs overall. Everyone had some pretty good arguments going on, I love it. This site was getting too boring for a while

    I don’t hate Carlyle as much as other, I do think he has to go though. You can’t have two huge collapses in two seasons, these collapses were both unimaginable. Like Josh said, it’s the coaches job to change the system if the system clearly isn’t working. And it was clearly wasn’t working.

    I also love how everyone realizes that Franson has to go.

  12. Gambo says:

    Would anyone else go after Adam Larsson? Everyone is prematurely calling him a bust. He isn’t playing much at all and could be the perfect partner for Rielly for a long time.

    Devils fans seem to think that Damon Severson is a better prospect than Larsson, but I’ve seen Severson play a lot, he’s bad. He has all the talent, but he is so dumb with the puck it’s astonishing.

    • Gambo says:

      Though I should say that Severson is having a really strong playoffs. Maybe he’ll become a great player, I’ve just never been impressed with his decision making.

    • 93killer93 says:

      He’s a RFA this summer so now would be the time to go after him. I’d expect the asking price to be high. But he’s definitely someone I would look at.

  13. mojo19 says:

    Y’all digging the Shanny rumours?

  14. 93killer93 says:

    Even with all the talk about firing Carlyle, I would not be surprised if Leiweke kept Carlyle and fired Nonis instead. I’m not saying he should, but he did the same thing with the Raptors and TFC. He brought in his guy to run the team, and left the coaches in charge for the time being. He’s already been involved with acquiring players. He has said he told Nonis to get Bernier, and you know signing bodie was his idea too.

  15. nordiques100 says:

    I think its a great idea that the Leafs are pursuing Brendan Shanahan.

    He is a real fresh face, not just to the Leafs, but the whole running a hockey team altogether.

    Its something the Leafs need. Though its been done before, when they hired Ken Dryden, that was botched horribly due to infighting and hidden agendas.

    If Shanahan is given the keys and allowed to run with it as he sees fit, it I think would be a good thing.

    The team not only needs something fresh, but they probably need to cut ties with Brian Burke. Nonis, Carlyle, they’re Burke guys.

    While experience, and winning before count for something, fresh ideas and fresh outlook also do as well. And its not like Shanahan doesn’t know success. He has won cups and gold medals before. He is in the Hall of Fame. He’s a winner.

    And he isnt out of touch with the game. He’s been deeply involved working with the NHL. Thats a bonus.

    I think he would be a great hire. i think the Leafs are on to something to try and start anew. I think they need someone like that to put a charge into the organization and maybe do some things that the Leafs have never really done before.

  16. realistic_leafs_fan says:

    Everyone deserves blame, from top to bottom.
    Players fell flat on their face, coaches couldn’t get them to buy in and the GM didn’t provide the coach with the type of players that suit his type of play. You can argue the coach should change, but the Leafs knew what they were getting in Carlyle when they hired him. Fire him if you want. May help, but won’t be the answer to the Leaf problems.

    Blame Franson, Reimer, Clarkson, Phaneuf, Kadri etc…really doesn’t matter because this team is not a solid group. Speed does not win, it’s only a factor. The NHL has not changed THAT much. People thought post lock-out the little speedy guys will rule because clutch and grab is gone. They were wrong. Big guys that can play still rule because no one can handle them. Even more so without clutch and grab. Only the elite little guy has success. The game is won along the walls, boring or not, that’s where it is won and that hasn’t changed. Guys like Crosby, Toews, Lucic, Bergeron etc, even guys like Malkin, Ovetchkin or guys like St.Louis are hard to knock of the puck. They control the walls and control the puck.
    LA, Chicago, Pitt, Boston, Anaheim, Detroit and even Carolina when they won, control the puck and the boards. Do they all have some speed and “skill”? For sure, but they all have bigger guys that can control the puck as well. They all for check hard and win battles. Simply put, the Leafs have very few.

    We need size, strength and the ability to win battles. Kessel, JVR, Gardiner, Reilly are great “skill and speed” guys but we need to surround them with guys like the Bickells, Lucic’s, Backes, Carter type of guys. We need some AHlers to make the jump.
    Go after a guy like Jordan Staal for the second line. Maybe a Kadri, Gunnar+ could do it. We need to be tougher on the backend. Franson lead the team in hits. If we replace him, it better be for a guy who can play and hit.
    Get rid of guys like Kulimen, Raymond even McClement. These guys skate hard, work hard, but they aren’t hard to play against, that’s the difference with us and the high end teams.

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