Things have never looked this bleak for Maple Leafs

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  1. doorman says:

    You know as weird as this sounds I see it completely the opposite way. With how bad they are playing for once we might see a change in philosophy with this team that is long over due. That alone makes me hopeful for the future, it can’t get any worse then this so please bring on the rebuilding mentality.

    • leafy says:

      Until we get rid of some of the rich contracts, I’m very nervous.

      It would be just totally crazy to keep coming back to the same roster and expecting to win.

      A good start would be finding takers for Phaneuf, Bozak and Gardiner.

      The slumping Canadian dollar is also becoming a serious issue. It’s likely to affect the cap, which will make it even more difficult to move rich contracts.

    • leafs_wallace93 says:

      Yep, I’ve seen things as bleak when MSLE is drinking their own Kool-aid.

  2. kessel_leafs81 says:

    Anybody willing to take a shot at Kassian? wont make us better for his year, big body that id like to have in the bottom six moving forward however.

  3. nordiques100 says:

    Speaking of Kassian, how bad has Cody Hodgson been? 7 points? He was the Sabre’s no. 1 centre was he not?

  4. leafy says:

    If the Leafs can get into the top 5 in the draft, things will suddenly look much brighter.

    • doorman says:

      I really think we will draft top 5 for sure. There is no way Shanahan watches this team go through this slide and risks a huge win streak. IMO, he starts moving pieces out sooner then later to insure this wasn’t for nothing. Deep draft or not big difference drafting 3-5 as opposed to 8-12.

      • lafleur10 says:

        in a deep draft like this if your scouts are worth a grain of salt they could find a gem in the 8-12 range ,granted macdavid,eichel,hanafin are the 3 franchise players,but strome and the like aren’t far off

    • leafs_wallace93 says:

      Edmonton has been .500 lately, imagine if the Leafs strip down by the deadline we could be just awful.

  5. Gambo says:

    Just for fun, lets assume we can get a 1st for Phaneuf, Franson, Lupul and Bozak. That would leave us with 5 1st rounders.
    How many would it take to move up from 5th to 1st in the draft? All 5 seems a little extreme, but would you trade Phaneuf, Franson, Lupul, Bozak and the 5th overall pick for Crosby? Probably.

    • lafleur10 says:

      you won’t get a 1st for any of those guys that’s a reality..all teams would give that up in a heart beat for crosby,but the team that has crosby wold laugh and say sorry not a chance in hell…. and if your offering the namesfrom a leafs prespective and it’s franson,phaneuf,lupul and bozak plus your 1st you’ll et laughed at and won’t even get a response from buffalo,now if you put rielly,nylander,jvr 1st this year 1st,next year plus more( which you’d have to include) you ‘d have them listening ,they’d pass but you’d at least have them listening…..and the reason they’d pass even with rielly ,nylander,jvr etc is you don’t get crosby’s every year and macdavid is more valuable than even that

    • leafy says:

      I hope we can get some first rounders, but I generally agree with Lafleur. If he’s healthy, Lupul would fetch a first rounder. Phaneuf and Bozak? I’ll believe it when I see it. Franson won’t either. He’s having a good season, an okay player that last year most Leafs fans didnt want. Teams aren’t that keen to move first rounders any more except for bona fide stars.

      • doorman says:

        The market will simply be determined by the seller/buyer ratio. The fewer the sellers the more the return, IMO. Say what you will about this, that and the other in terms of surrendering picks, but in a year that’s wide open. Teams will take a shot and it won’t cost GM’s their jobs. I think a GM would have more questions to answer from ownership as to why they didn’t load up if they’re a serious contender then if they play safe and say maybe next year.

      • nordiques100 says:

        The Flyers did trade a 1st for Kris Versteeg.

        But you’re right. It would be hard to believe Franson getting traded for a 1st.

        However.

        Reto Berra was traded for a 2nd. I think Franson has more worth than that.

        Andrew McDonald was traded for a 2nd and 3rd round picks. He was a rental.

        David Legwand, like Franson, a rental, was traded for Patrick Eaves, a good prospect like Calle Jarnkok and a conditional 3rd.

        That seems to be more like what Toronto could get for Franson.

        Phaneuf is an off-season trade. I would be shocked if he moved at the deadline. but anything could happen. Thats mostly due to his contract being so huge and hard to fit in during the season.

        However i think Toronto would get more for Dion now than they would in the off-season simply because he can help teams now heading into and during the playoffs. But financially it just wont get done. or can’t get done.

        Bozak has a more friendly contract but could he still move by the deadline? Darren Dreger said there’s a 60 percent chance, but i find that hard to believe. I see Bozak more being part of a larger package than being a centrepiece in a trade. As that centrepiece i am not sure a 1st could be returned. As a piece in a larger trade, he could carry some decent value.

  6. Gambo says:

    If the teams below Toronto (besides Buffalo) can win 1/2 of their games from now until the end of the season and Toronto only wins 1/3 of their games, Toronto can finish 2nd last.. #DreamBig

  7. LN91 says:

    I will be happy if the Leafs picked 3rd, or at worst 4th with Carolina at 3rd (They would pick Hanifin).

    In the next 2 seasons, I would love the Leafs to pick up Strome this season…Then continue tanking to pick D Jakob Chychrun next draft.

    • doorman says:

      At this point we are in the 6th spot, 3rd is a realistic possibility with this fragile team that should only be weakened. Question becomes who do you take if you pick 3rd? Do you obtain enough ammo at the deadline to attempt to acquire another high pick in a deep draft? I really hope that the statements of Nonis be proactive in terms of alerting teams they will be sell mode soon, spur some action. Anything besides losing would be great to discuss. Hell any trade of note would be fantastic by any team, lol.

      • nordiques100 says:

        I think of the teams there in the bottom 8, the Devils seem like the most likeliest team to be willing to trade their 1st rounder.

        They did it no too long ago trading for Cory Schnieder.

        I think if the Leafs can, maybe a deal centering around Kessel to NJ and the top 8 pick from NJ can be done. It obviously would require other pieces from both sides, but, getting a 2nd top 10 pick would be IMO outstanding for the Leafs.

        It doesnt look like Reilly or Nylander are going anywhere. you add 2 other young pieces and you have a makings of something to look forward to.

        If the Leafs don’t make the top 3, they still could end up with 2 of Crouse, Strome or Marner. Or even Rantanen. Thats not bad.

        Or maybe they vault into the bottom 3, better still the bottom 2 and end up with one of the big franchise centres, preferably McDavid and then maybe again, one of the other 3 top OHL prospects like say Strome, McDavid’s teammate in Erie.

        The other trade pieces can be used to add further future depth. The likes of Franson, Bozak, maybe Lupul even, Kadri. I am sure they can get some futures for those players if they choose to move them. Phaneuf as well is in that mix.

  8. 93killer93 says:

    Apparently Nonis stayed in Nashville to catch the game against the Ducks. He’s also going to be scouting the Milwaukee admirals game.

  9. doorman says:

    SO rumor has it Evander Kane is available out of Wpg, many here have expressed interest before wonder if a Kessel/Kane + package could be worked out? What would you want the Jets to add or both teams making it a larger trade?

    • Steven_Leafs0 says:

      Why are fans rushing Kessel out the door? He is young, a top player (if not close to a franchise one) and with a good team around him can dominate on the ice.

      Guys like Kessel are never available so why move him for a package whose value will never add up to him.

      Terrible move IMO, I’d rather pass on Kane if Kessel was the piece going the other way.

      • nordiques100 says:

        He has to go. The direction of the team has to be changed.

        The face of the team has to be moved out. The Leafs are led by two, Kessel, Phaneuf. Both, need to be NOT Leafs next season.

        You have one rated by players as the most overrated player in the game, Phaneuf, who has a huge contract and is massively in over his head as the team’s captain and top defenceman. He was put on top of the mountain by someone else and its backfired big time on the organization. Its time they move on.

        Kessel, well he was the face of the “new” post JFJ post lockout era Leafs. He has put up points, but the way he plays, being out of shape, looking lazy out there, being super soft and lacking effort, its little wonder opponents find it a treat to play Toronto. He is what others portray the identity of the Leafs to be.

        Thats why he needs to be moved. Its too late now to surround him with others. They’ve tried that way already. Its time to move away from him, get something in return and go a completely different direction.

      • Gambo says:

        Kessel is 27, he’s not that young. The leafs need to enter rebuild, which means they need to build their team around being good 3,4 or even 5 years from now. Rebuilding properly is a long process. Right now they have Rielly and Nylander and they’ll be getting another solid piece this draft. They need to acquire players in the 18-23 range, but also have some quality veteran leaders to guide the young players. Kessel is talented and an elite offensive player, but he’s neither the right age to be a part of a rebuilding team or a leader.

        The idea is to build a team that can contend for the Cup, not build a team that can fight for a playoff spot.

        • Steven_Leafs0 says:

          But why move Kessel even in a long rebuild? He will still be 29-31 after the rebuild is at least in the “re-evaluate” phase of not complete and the pieces you get for Kessel will never make up what you gave up.

          Heck if you truly believe that Kessel is “not the answer” then why would any other team want him for anything more than a cap dump and a 1st? I mean if Kessel is not good enough for us after we are done the rebuild then no one will want him for their final piece at $8M right?

          I mean if you can move a package including Kessel for a McDavid, McKinnon, or other younger Franchise replacement then sure but a package of picks and great prospects are pointless IMO.

          • Gambo says:

            He’s not the answer for us because we aren’t just short of a skilled offensive player to win the Cup. He might be the answer for another team.

            His value is at a high right now, he’s in his prime and signed long term. The core needs to be changed, it’s as simple as that. Hopefully Nylander can replace his offense, or someone they draft this year, maybe whoever they trade him for can do that, or they could sign someone with that 8 million extra cap.

            Do you really think Kessel will carry this team to a Stanley Cup?

            • nordiques100 says:

              Plus too, see Dany Heatley. He got slightly older and much much worse.

              And Heatley was better than Kessel has been.

            • Steven_Leafs0 says:

              No but if Kessel isn’t good enough for the Leafs after they built a proper cup contending team then who would ever want him?

              Unless we somehow turn Kessel into another franchise level player then there is no point in moving him.

              Only reason to is if we strip everything down and start a full rebuild but that won’t happen. Phaneuf, Bozak, & Lupul would first have to be moved for picks/prospects. With the Leafs media and fans I doubt we would be patient enough for another 5 years of junk.

  10. doorman says:

    First off I am not rushing him out the door, but Wpg needs scoring, Kane has talent and his price has dropped in terms of acquiring. So if the jets say offered a huge package, Kane, Ehlers & Morrissey or take out either prospect and add a 1st? for Kessel you would say no? I sure wouldn’t not be listening

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