Maple Leafs captain Dion Phaneuf dubbed Princess Phaneuf by Sabres’ John Scott

John Scott was fighting mad but with nobody to scrap, the Buffalo Sabres thug used his tough talk instead.

Incensed at having been ejected from Saturday’s game during an animated third-period skirmish that involved multiple players, including Toronto defenceman Dion Phaneuf, Scott lashed out at the Maple Leafs captain.

“All of a sudden I’m not allowed to hit him anymore,” Scott said, according to Buffalo radio station WGR. “He’s Princess Phaneuf. It’s a joke.”

Scott was ejected along with Frazer McLaren of the Leafs at 5:34 of the third after a series of near scraps began when Phaneuf narrowly missed being levelled by Scott in the open ice.

Phaneuf said afterward that he slipped, but Scott was accosted by Leafs tough guys Colton Orr and McLaren after the play.

http://www.torontosun.com/2013/11/16/maple-leafs-captain-dion-phaneuf-dubbed-princess-phaneuf-by-sabres-john-scott


79 Responses to Maple Leafs captain Dion Phaneuf dubbed Princess Phaneuf by Sabres’ John Scott

  1. LN91 says:

    I was not surprised by Scott’s comments, Phaneuf might thrown in a huge hit now and then…But the guy has a reputation as ‘Princess Phaneuf’.

    • Gambo says:

      Because one plug called him princess Phaneuf doesn’t mean he has a reputation of it.

      • LN91 says:

        Oh, please…I’m pretty sure his colleagues named him the most ‘Overrated’ player.

        That entire play by Phaneuf was foolish, he bailed on that hit and instead of going after Scott he proceeded to crosscheck Cody McCormick?

        Now, it’s not a bash ‘Phaneuf’ time as he’s playing pretty, but…I’m pretty sure he has the reputation, ask Hartnell.

  2. leafs_wallace93 says:

    Is there a prize for being the biggest meat head in the league? Why does John Scott think anyone should care about John Scott.

  3. leafmeister says:

    Apparently there are whispers of a Liles for Gleason deal. I’d love that.

    Phaneuf – Gunnarsson
    Frason – Gardiner
    Gleason – Fraser
    Rielly (Maybe send him back to Junior)

  4. realistic_leafs_fan says:

    Just to spark some debate. I’m nor saying this will, should, or would happen. If you could make this deal…would you?

    To Colorado
    Phaneuf, Kadri,
    To Toronto
    E.Johnson, Stastny,

    Leafs would be when healthy

    JVR Stastny Kessel
    Lupul Bolland Clarkson
    Raymond Bozak Kulimen
    McClement Holland Orr
    McLaren
    (or whatever combination of lines)

    Gunnar Johnson
    Gardiner Franson
    Fraser Ranger
    Rielly

    Would you?

    • mapleleafsfan says:

      Ew no haha. Stastny is UFA, and not a big enough upgrade on Kadri (especially with age factored in). And EJ sucks compared to Phaneuf (even with Phaneuf being UFA too).

      • LN91 says:

        EJ has been incredible this year.

        • mapleleafsfan says:

          He’s been solid, but I wouldn’t say incredible. His career-year offensive start is still hardly overhwelming and, although pretty solid defensively, it really helps that Varlamov and Gigeurge (until the past couple), have been playing way over their heads. Same argument could be made for Phaneuf with Reimer/Bernier, but Phaneuf is on another level offensively than EJ.

      • realistic_leafs_fan says:

        Not trying to defend the trade, just trying to understand your analysis. There is an age advantage with Johnson over Dion as well and Johnson has a nice cap friendly hit of $3.75 for two more seasons.
        Ages-Johnson25($3.75)-Phaneuf28($6.5 UFA)
        Kadri23($2.9)-Stastny27($6.6 UFA)
        It balances out age wise and close money wise for this season. Cap hits have to be considered as well as potential re-sign cost. It is likely Stastny would re-sign for less than Phaneuf and as I said, Johnson is good for 2 more seasons at $3.75. He is a former 1st overall pick and is coming into his own…kind of like Phaneuf did as he got older.
        Johnson is also a big man who uses his body probably as much as Dion, so I’m not sure how we are softer on the backend, except Dion will fight a couple times a season. Johnson also plays the right side and is a 21min+ night d-man who is a better skater than Dion.
        To me, Statsny is an upgrade on Kadri and we know he can play fist line and is better defensively than Kadri. Plus, what will Kadri want to be paid after next season?
        I’m not saying we should, but I don’t think it’s an Ewww.LOL

        • realistic_leafs_fan says:

          Softer part was meant for Razer.

        • reinjosh says:

          I hate the phaneuf for Johnson part. It’s just bad. Johnson is a band aid boy /!; one solid start on a team completely oerachievein doesn’t make him worth phaneuf. Even with contract and he improvements. I know that some of you have a hate on for phaneuf but he’s just levels above Johnson. He’s also one of the most consistent goal scorin dman in the league. I will continue to stand by my assertion that losing him will be hugely detrimental and would destroy the defense.

          Stastny is definitely better than kadri. Hes playing unreal right now. But we give up age and get a player on an expiring contract. Considering kadri is in his second full NHL season, I’m not sure if want to give him up for a guy we could just as easily sign in the offseason.

          It’s not a great trade by any means. Doesn’t really make us better not fix any cap concerns (actually adds to them considering kadri is cheaper than Johnson)

          I know people hate kadri and phaneuf but I’d get used to seeing them for a very long time. They will be key contributors to this team for a long time.

        • mapleleafsfan says:

          I get the logic behind it, I just think the values off. IMO the difference between Phaneuf and EJ is bigger than the difference between Kadri and Stastny. EJ has a great cap hit, but he’s not a #1D. And I’m not ready to call 20 good games of a season coming into his own. He’s been awful-average every season before now. Phaneuf was a beast his first year or two, then regressed, and is now really solid again. I just don’t see it with EJ.

          I’m also a big Kadri fan, and think we would ultimately regret trading him anywhere. I really believe players like him, Lupul, Clarkson, Bolland etc just have that extra edge that will be huge in the playoffs. People hate to play against them. Don’t think anyone in the league hates Paul Stastny.

        • leafs_wallace93 says:

          Oh and Eric Johnson makes Alexander Daige look like a first ballot Hall of Famer.

    • leafs_wallace93 says:

      Take out Kadri and put in Bozak and sure, down deal

      • realistic_leafs_fan says:

        Daigle??? haha
        I would love to put Bozak in there and think that would be decently fair if we added a bit, but everyone seems to forget about Bozak’s NTC, modified yes, but it exists. They also just signed him to a big deal. I doubt the Leafs are moving him. It would be almost like suggesting them moving Clarkson or Bolland. Sorry, I think we are stuck with Bozak.
        As for E.J. He has only played on poor teams. Until this year he has never played on a good winning team and his overall play is better now that the team is having success. Who does that remind you of?…Dion.
        Dion started on a good Calgary team and benefitted from it, as they got worse, he was basically run out of town in Calgary because of his play and his first 1 1/2-2 years in Toronto were not that good either when T.O was a fairly poor team.
        As everyone said about Phaneuf at the time, he is only 25 and a former 3rd overall pick and he is playing on a bad team. While in E.J’s case, he is a former 1st overall pick who has only played on bad teams and twice has been the top pt man on his team and always in the top3 when not injured…which injuries are a concern I agree.
        Forget Daigle lol, since 2001, there really hasn’t been a 1st overall flop. Yes that includes Fleury. Let’s remember, Fleury has a cup and was great that year.

        • leafs_wallace93 says:

          Given Bozak’s personal history if he accepted a trade anywhere it’d be Colorado.

          • realistic_leafs_fan says:

            Fair enough, then why didn’t he just go there as a UFA if Colorado had interest in him?

            • Gambo says:

              Because he wouldn’t have been a shoe in first line center anywhere other than Toronto haha

              Bozak’s best decision in his entire life was picking Toronto.

              And I don’t remember, was Colorado one of the teams that were trying to get him? I know Dallas really wanted him, but you would have thought if Colorado wanted him he would have stayed in Denver.

              And Burke always had a knack for luring college players into Toronto.

              And I totally agree with you about Johnson, he’s still young and I think has a really promising career ahead of him. Plus like you said, he has a good cap hit. I’m not a fan of trading Phaneuf, but if they were to trade him, I wouldn’t be mad if we got Erik Johnson in return. I’d rather have Kadri than Stastny though.

              • Gambo says:

                Geez, didn’t realize I started all of those last three paragraphs with “And”. I better go over the 15 page research essay I just wrote before I submit it.

              • realistic_leafs_fan says:

                If Kadri has a “Patrick Kane attitude epiphany”, he could be awesome. I like his skill and edge, but he has always seemed very selfish to me and if that doesn’t change, he could become a problem on the ice and in the dressing room. Stastny is a true professional…there is something to be said for that.

          • lafleur10 says:

            actaully if he had his choice he’d go to vancouver as the canucks were his favorite team growing up and still is lol

        • leafs_wallace93 says:

          Given Bozak’s personal history if he accepted a trade anywhere it’d be Colorado.

          EJ is a bust.

          • realistic_leafs_fan says:

            LOL…then so was Dion at that age.

            • Gambo says:

              Phaneuf was a Calder trophy candidate his rookie season and had 20 goals that year, in his second season he had 50 points and in his 3rd season he had 60 points and was a Norris trophy candidate. For a 9th overall pick I don’t think anyone could call that a bust. I don’t really like the comparison of EJ to Dion. A first overall pick who’s only had 1 good full season in 5 years is definitely considered a bust. Though he’s still young and can definitely turn it around.

            • LN91 says:

              EJ is not an offensive D-Men, people need to realize that everything is not based on points.

              Geeze, if that was the case,was a legitimate top-4 D-Men.

            • leafs_wallace93 says:

              He was 3rd for the Calder behind Crosby and Ovie in a deep rookie class because it was coming off the lockout missed season. Cherry was boasting that Dion should have won the Calder (he was wrong but Dion had established himself is the point)

              Then a runner up for the Norris in his sophomore season.

              That’s a bust?

              • realistic_leafs_fan says:

                I was referring to Dion at 25 years old. Everyone seems to forget what was being said about Dion when he was still in Calgary. He was considered a bust. An immovable contract. I was referring to that age, not as a rookie. The trade to Toronto resurrected his career and it really took about 1 1/2-2 years for us to see the Dion we see now. Dion has really had less than two seasons of very good, fairly consistent hockey over the past 5 years. Albeit Partly because of how bad T.O was when he got here and the coaching of Wilson. Plus, Dion was still considered a defensive liability when he was in his first couple years in the League, but the point production made up for it. I never said Dion was a bust, but neither is Johnson. He plays the most d minutes against the toughest competition on a bad team. In 2010-11 he had 10 pts in 22 games before he got hurt. If this was Dion, there would be all these excuses for lack of production, like all the things I’ve mentioned. If Colorado is for real, watch Johnson’s career take off. Johnson’s stats are in direct comparison to how bad the team he plays for has been. And when you compare them to everyone else on the team over the same period, they are not bad at all.

                • leafs_wallace93 says:

                  Ok, the difference is that at least Dion once established himself which puts him miles ahead of EJ.

                  Though EJ did get hampered by the ACL injury so who knows.

                  • realistic_leafs_fan says:

                    Fair enough, which is why the salaries are reflective of that. If EJ is starting to establish himself now, at 25, he could still be a very good d-man. Agreed? I think people also forget he was on the 2010 Us Olympic team on the second pairing. 1 goal and a +3 for the tourney against the best players in the world. That’s not bad for a 21 year old. Playing with better players can make a young player much better as I know you know. Except for Hejda(not that he’s great), the Colorado D has been poor at best. I would like to see him with a more solid d-core(or a team playing good hockey) and wee what he can do before I call him a bust.

  5. razer1818 says:

    Simply NO we would be to soft on the back end… As i do think Phanuef is over paid he is by far not overrated. Overrated players do not : 1. Get invited to Canada’s Olympic team 2. Play 25+ min a game, 3. Hit as he does. and beyond all that why should have he fought Scott. Lets see… Scott vs Kessel, Scott vs. Phaneuf, why are we not seeing Scott vs Orr

    • doorman says:

      Not sure why you say this, Johnson while not the picture boy for pugilism is hardly soft, IMO. Now, as much as he would be over paid, somehow make ROR part of the deal and I would swing it, throw Bozak back their way and a pick even, lol.

  6. razer1818 says:

    List of 2014 Free Agent Centers

    Joe Thornton (34)Probably resign in SJ but maybe want to . come home and play
    Paul Stastny (27)At the right price maybe
    Dave Bolland (27)Must Resign
    Steve Ott (31)Would love to have him
    Brian Boyle (28)No way NYR let him walk
    Matt Stajan (29)Been there done that
    David Legwant (33)
    Mikhail Grabo (29)Obviously No lol
    John Mitchell (28)If we didn’t have Kadri maybe

    • leafy says:

      Resign Bolland for sure.
      Joe Thornton would be good.
      Agreed on Steve Ott as well, that guy’s a player.

    • leafs_wallace93 says:

      Bolland has been my favorite player in the league for years and even I have misgivings about re-upping him. Have to see how he plays when he comes back. Though it may bring his price down to the 3-4.75 range. Had he not got injured he was playing his way into 5-6.75 range (given how dumb money gets for UFA centers).

      Thornton would be a dream old school Quinn era like signing, great band aid until we could find a younger center.

      Stasny is too Jekyl and Hyde for my taste, plus he can’t skate and will demand a horrible contract in terms of dollars and term.

      Boyle, does he really fit if we keep Bolland?

      Legwannt, no thank you, I don’t want Tim Connolly back.

      I like that McClement guy too.

  7. leafy says:

    The Leafs need to bring back Simon Gamache.

  8. toronto77 says:

    Kypreos is throwing around the idea of should the leafs trade Gardiner for Brayden Schenn.

    As stupid as this sounds I wouldn’t do it. The leafs would be set for the next 10-15 years of offense from the defence with Rielly and Gardiner. I would rather give them one of Percy or Finn.

    To Tor: Schenn

    To Phi: Percy, Bozak, 1st in 2014

    The reason for my suggestion is because we are offering Percy instead of Gardiner which I feel has lesser value. Adding Schenn would clog the top 3 centre positions by adding him to Bozak, Bolland and Holland(who I feel should stay up and not go to the marlies). By throwing in Bozak it increases the value of offering Percy and since Bozak’s contract isn’t too attractive it isn’t sweetening the deal that much, so the leafs 1st(which could land somewhere in between the 20th-25th overall position) should make the deal fair

    Flyers top 3 C’s will be Giroux, Coturier, Bozak

    JVR-Schenn-Kessel
    Lupul-Kadri-Clarkson
    Raymond-Bolland-Kulemin

    maybe I was wrong about Holland..lol, maybe not be any spots available for him. Amazing addition to the marlies though!

    Thoughts??

    • mapleleafsfan says:

      My prediction: Brayden Schenn will never live up to his hype (remmeber when he was the best prospect not in the nhl? LOL).

      I see him maxing out as a 50-60 point center. Now I can’t pretend to have Lafleurs crystal ball, but I just don’t see it. So I say no, purely because I’m not interested in another second line C, while weakening our D. I’m also a homer and overvalue Gardiner, but he has undeniable talent. If we give up on Gards it will come back to bite us.

      As for the lineup, as of right now Kadri and Bolland are both >> than Schenn in my opinion.

      • lafleur10 says:

        mapleleafs fan i actually i agree with you for the 1st time lol if the leafs trade gardiner it’ll be for more than brayden schenn who is a good player but not that game changer that the leafs could possibly get for gardiner and yes it would come back to bite you if you trade him away for schenn wow if the leafs did that you’d have to wonder if jfj did that deal! lol i can see gardiner going for stastny who’s better than schenn and better than bolland,kdri on your team he’d give you your top flite legit #1 line center not bozak or kadri,bolland who are more 2nd ad 3rd line guys

        • mapleleafsfan says:

          I wouldn’t trade Garinder for a UFA. A signed Stastny on a lesser contract than he’s making now, sure.

          Also I believe Kadri can be a 1st line C. His point totals this year+last year are solid. He’s got the skillset, just depends if he puts it all together or not. I think Kadri will be a really late bloomer, as he matures his game will reach another level. Could be wrong though haha.

          That said, Stastny would definitely be our best C right now, I just wouldn’t trade one of our top young guys for an UFA.

          • lafleur10 says:

            true enough i was thinking though that you guys would resign stastny ..or sign him before the trade was made if you could get him with him and kadri down the middle you’d be very ,very good and would be serious contenders in our conference much like us if we got him with galchenyuk,eller,plekanec down the middle as well we’d be a lot deeper and would be very serious contenders as well. but you’d have to give up one of your top young guys and i feel that if one had to go he’d be the odd man out because reilly is a definate keeper and i feel he’s better i hope you don’t take this personal but i feel gardiner is a bit over hyped nt that he isn’t god just he should be better than he is now reilly by this time next year will surpass him if he hasn’t already ! i know on here a few leafs fans told me gardiner was subban equal it was nords i believe ..i told him at that time that gardiner couldn’t carry subban’s jockk and so far it looks that way! however rielly could be that dman like subban is for us

            • mapleleafsfan says:

              I agree. Reilly will be better than Gardiner and will hopefully end up being an elite D. He’s definitely more untouchable than Gardiner.

              Gardiner is definitely overhyped, just like any solid prospect for a team with a big fan base (Reilly is probably overhyped too, Kadri was when he came in, Leblanc when he was drafted etc). I just really think Gardiner could put it together and be a top level D-man. He isn’t close to, and very likely won’t ever be as good as Subban, but I do think he can control a game sort of like Karlsson (not nearly as good, but he controls the pace of a game well), as we saw against Boston last playoffs. He’s had flashes of that this year, but he’s inconsistent for sure.

    • Steven_Leafs0 says:

      I think we should take advantage of Luke’s low value and offer:

      B.Schenn, L.Schenn

      For

      Gardiner, Kulemin, pick. (We would have to find a buyer for Liles before we could afford the deal cap wise)

      We get more Canadian, get 2 players in positions we need to improve that should fit great into Carlyle’s system, and give up only pieces we could afford to lose.

      Philly….. Well they probably get worse, much much worse haha. (Especially if it ends up being Kulemin, Gardiner for JVR, B.Schenn. Muhahaha).

      • Gambo says:

        I’d do it.

        JVR-Bozak-Kessel
        Lupul-Kadri-Clarkson
        Raymond-B.Schenn-Ashton/Bolland
        Mclaren-McClement-Orr
        Smithson

        Gunnarsson-Phaneuf
        Fraser-Franson
        Rielly-Schenn
        Ranger

    • realistic_leafs_fan says:

      Bozak has NTC and is not likely going anywhere.

  9. mapleleafsfan says:

    That Kulemin hit on Tavares was awesome, what a beast. That was actually a great game.

    I wonder if there are any duos with a better 2on1 success rate on the league than JVR/Kessel. They actually seem to score on almost all of them.

    • lafleur10 says:

      maybe crosby/ kunitz malkin /neal kane /toews kane/sharp galchenyuk / loleller

      • mapleleafsfan says:

        I mean just on straight 2on1’s, obviously not best duo. Honestly probably more than half their goals together are rush 2on1’s, they are rarely cycle goals. Also should have specified this year, not in general.

        Malkin-Neal – 4 goals combined
        Crosby Kunitz – 19 goals combined
        Kane – Toews – 21 goals combined
        kane – sharp – 18 goals combined
        Gallyx2 – 13 goals combined (lol really? you homer you)
        Kessel – JVR – 21 combined.

        Fair enough Neal hasn’t play many games this year, but it’s not like they’re on an impressive goal pace anyways. Only Toews / Kane have scored as many goals – and they aren’t even on the same line.

        Crosby Kunitz is obviously magic, as Crosby – anyone really is. But I bet more of their goals are cycle / other plays than 2 on 1s compared to JVR/Kessel.

    • leafy says:

      Damn. The game that I miss ends up being a great game.

    • mojo19 says:

      I got RT’d by the official Maple Leafs twitter after that hit! I wrote “Beast of a shift by Kulemin”

      2nd time in a few games that I got a #TMLtalk RT from the Leafs. I’m thinking of quitting my job.

  10. leafy says:

    The next three Leaf games are all winnable. Chance now to go on a roll.

  11. mojo19 says:

    As for the recent trade rumours:

    Brayden Schenn might turn into a Dave Bolland but will never be a 1st line centre. He could carve out a great career as a gritty 2/3, capable of putting up secondary scoring and being a reliable guy.

    Not a bad guy to go after but not for Gardiner. I would rather just hold onto Jake and wait to get healthy down the middle for now.

    Liles for Gleason? Oh God yes! Tim Gleason is an all out animal playing in the wrong system for him. He’s a beast who would be a top 4 here for sure. He’s the exact Carlyle type of stay home, hard hitting blue liner we need. Liles is another guy who could go into a different situation and get a chance to play, and this could be a great trade for both teams.

    I don’t know if this rumour has any legs but I really hope it does.

    • doorman says:

      mojo I agree with you on Gleason, in fact have stated whether remembered or not for his acquisition by the Leafs before. He is a very tough stay at home the Leafs so badly need. Besides here is a fun fact, Gleason is a good fighter who always shows very well against this thorn in our sides known as Lucic. Tell me we couldn’t use a little of that?

      • realistic_leafs_fan says:

        I like the way Gleason play…recent concussion is a concern, but not a “stay away” kind of thing. Another D with a $4mil cap hit for two more years though, and another LHD. If he goes to our top 4, who do we move out? Franson, Gardiner, Gunnar? Is he really better than those guys?
        I know cap wise it’s only adding a little more than Liles, but I was hoping if we moved Liles we could create some cap room. I’m on the fence on this one a bit as we already have a log jam on D. No doubt I want Gleason over Liles, but is another $4mil D-man what we need?

        • doorman says:

          RFL, for me it is more about adding that extremely tough to play against tough as nails dman. He doesn’t even need to be top 4 really, as the more quality dmen we have the more spread the minutes can be.But you are correct another quality RHD would be a good thing.

          • realistic_leafs_fan says:

            I agree with you doorman. The top 4 was referring to Mojo’s comment. Don’t have to convince me on tough as nails players needed.lol I think we would also need to move a current roster d-man though.

            • mojo19 says:

              To me, I wouldn’t worry too much about “where he fits in” as Carlyle likes to mix it up. At the end of the day you need 7 if not 8 good, reliable blue liners if you’re talking about a long playoff run. In this regard, Gleason would be a perfect fit. I really feel, and doorman I’m sure agrees, that Gleason’s style of play is built for the playoffs.

              This is a type of move that would go well with the re-shaping Nonis has done in bringing in players like Clarkson and Bolland. At the end of the day, you want a team that can compete in the regular season and the playoffs, and you nee these guys.

              • realistic_leafs_fan says:

                As I said, I like Gleason and like his style of play…your speaking to the choir here.lol
                I disagree about not worrying where he fits in though. Typically, he is used to playing top 4 minutes and may not be as effective if playing only 12-15 mins a night. If the Leafs are not sure where they would “fit him in” then I don’t see the need for the trade because it’s not like we are shedding salary even though we move Liles. If Carlisle wants him and plans to play him, then fine, make the deal(if it is really there).

                • mojo19 says:

                  Ya, see I have no problem playing Gleason 14 mins a night in December and January, because if we wind up in a playoff series vs Boston he’s gonna be playing 20+ mins a night. Big picture, bro.

                  • realistic_leafs_fan says:

                    I was thinking big picture. If he only plays 14 mins a night and is ineffective at fewer minutes, not only is it hard to just add 6 mins a game in a tough playoff series, but will the coach have confidence in him to play him that much more. To me, if we want him to play 20 mins a night in the playoffs, then make room for him now, which is why I said I think another move on D would need to be made. Just a different way of looking at the big picture.

    • toronto77 says:

      I know Gleason is a d-man and Kulemin is a forward but I wonder how the 2 would get along if this trade happens. Remember 2 years ago when there was a scrum in a game against Carolina and Gleason grabbed Kulemin, dropped his gloves and punched him in the face? he didn’t even respectfully ask Kuly to fight or wait for him to drop his gloves. Dirty friggin play, still kinda hate Gleason for it but I am sure pro’s but that kind of bs behind them.

      What kind of a player is Gleason? some people say slightly mobile and some say stay at home physical.

      • mojo19 says:

        You hate to play against a Tim Gleason, but love him on your team.

        • doorman says:

          Oh I am sure the altercation would be long forgotten. Gleason, is absolutely the kinda guy we need. He is the kinda guy players hate to play against. He has been to the cup and knows what it takes to get there. Better yet he is the kinda guy who is willing to do whatever it takes to do so. I agree with both mojo and RFL, respectively he fits but where, but look at it this way. More quality guys equals redfuced hard minutes on all, this bodes well in a long run IMO. Oh and did I mention, he likes to kick Lucic’s a$$? lol

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