Ongoing speculation suggests Malkin could command $15 mil per year tax free in KHL. @bruce_arthur. Not saying he takes it, but it’s there.
— Darren Dreger (@DarrenDreger) June 6, 2013
Ongoing speculation suggests Malkin could command $15 mil per year tax free in KHL. @bruce_arthur. Not saying he takes it, but it’s there.
— Darren Dreger (@DarrenDreger) June 6, 2013
Hey look, a Russian player’s contract is up. Hmm, some KHL team’s are pretty rich and have a lot of money to offer. Radulov and some minor nobodies or old over the hill players took more money in the KHL than they could get in the NHL. OHHHH, Malkin might want to do this!
This is lazy reporting. Malkin won’t go to the KHL. Just like Kovalchuk didn’t.
Just as a joke…there’s 73 Comments on this page about Malkin…How much do I want to wager after reading the first one that wasn’t a comment about how Malkin to the Leafs for MacArthur, Colborne and a first in 2014 gets the deal done comments there might be…I bet 72! And atleast of those 72 this deal pops up once.
So let’s say the Penguins get knocked out of the playoffs tonight. Shero starts to think he needs to go out and make a big move. Something isn’t working and Malkin/Letang and almost every player outside of Crosby/Kunitz and Martina are up for new contract.
Shero calls up Nonis and asks if the Leafs would be interested in sign and traded Malkin for a signed Kessel and Kadri.
Yes or No?
Yes. And I’d add if they wanted.
If instead say they asked for Gardiner, the player Leaf Nation seems to love the most, would you do it?
100% yes still.
sorry i only ask about Gardiner b/c i think there would be a lot more resounding no’s than yes’s if he were included.
Yeah I was looking for a deal that would make sense for both sides and be one that Leaf Nation couldn’t agree on.
Did not work haha.
Yeah, that bombed, Josh.
My only issue with Malkin is he missed 78 games over the last 4 years. But, I still think you take that trade.
Malkin creates space for others, can shoot, play the boards and carry the puck.
He hasn’t missed much time since his surgery. I mean there’s some risk there, but you have to take that deal.
Malkin to Toronto?
If we’re seriously talking Malkin to Toronto, Pittsburgh will be interested in names such as Kessel, Lupul, VanRiemsdyk, Kadri, and Gardiner. Start the package around 1 (or 2) of these guys and add a 1st rounder and a prospect or two.
Difference between the Bruins and Leafs is really this…
Chara can hold Crosby to 0 points in a series…While Phaneuf allowed Krejci to run him over like a pylon.
Do you not think if Chara and Phaneuf switched teams…That Toronto would be in the finals right now, even with Gunarsson.
Amazed that you can overlook world class play from Rask and incredibly stiffling team defense. The entire vaunted Pittsburgh offense scores 2 goals all series? Wow.
Hardly Chara on Crosby, he didn’t shut down Kessel did he?
He did a better job on Kessel then Phaneuf did on Krejci. Only reason why Krejci has 21 in 16 games is because most of them came against Phaneuf. BTW…Gardiner/Franson and O’Byrne/Liles matched, maybe outplayed, the performance of the other two pairings. Nice try though 😉
Blame the goalie as usual, which is what you guys mostly do.
Of course Liles and O’Byrne didn’t play big minutes against tough lines. It’s not a fair comparison to praise what the 3rd pair did because they didn’t have to face Kreijci.
Obviously Phaneuf was run over in the series, not arguing with your overall point, but the way your going about your argument does not make a ton of sense.
I will say this though, Liles and O’Byrne did frustrate the hell out of Jagr when they were out against him.
Well, it all started with the question…Let me ask you, if Phaneuf/Chara switched squads. Do you think Toronto would have been in the conference finals? Maybe even in the cup finals?
Looking at the Leafs and Bruins lineup…There is not much difference in play except the top-two defensive pairing.
Hell, even if Krejci was held to a PPG. Toronto could’ve won.
I mean top…In other words, Chara/Seidenberg vs. Phaneuf/Gunarsson
Rediculious assumption. Would Toronto have completely dominated face offs?
Would Reimer play at a Conn Smythe level?
Would Gardiner-Franson shut down Malkin?
Who knows its not simply Chara.
Boston is the best face-off team in the league…
You don’t get any harder then that test.
So how is the only difference Chara/Phaneuf?
You can be rather contradictory.
Because Toronto did survive that test for the most part throughout the series.
If Toronto got through Boston, everyone’s faceoff numbers would be 10x better.
That’s a logical assumption again.
It’s a known fact Toronto would’ve blown Pittsburgh out of the water.
It’s a fun hypothetical. I’m inclined to say yes, we would have definitely had a legitimate shot at making the Cup final. Even if we would’ve just hung on in game 7 against Boston, we could’ve taken care of the Rangers and been in a tough series with Pittsburgh right now.
We still needed the experience, a vet on the bench, another experienced defenceman, and/or an upgrade on Phaneuf, etc.
I didn’t blame anyone. It’s a stupid comparison as usual. The only
Difference between the teams is Chara /Phaneuf? Really??
Toronto actually got more depth scoring then the Bruins did during the series…Down the lineup, they are pretty equal through all their lines.
The play between Rask/Reimer was pretty even through all 7 games.
Defensively, the other pairings matched the pairings of the Bruins in TOI and play.
Only huge dropoff was the top-pairing of Chara/Seidenberg outdid Phaneuf/Gunarsson.
I don’t care for that “even with Gunnarsson” remark at all. Gunner is a very solid d-man. He’s on his way.
I know, but everyone blamed him for Phaneuf’s poor play. He’s a solid player…Is there that much of a difference between him and Seidenberg or Boychuk?
Hell no. Gunner is right in that range. I think he’s better than Boychuck, and generally worse than Seidenberg, although I suspect Dennis has been injured in these playoffs because he’s been just okay.
I’ll briefly weigh in on this Phaneuf debate.
The thing is, everyone will look inadequate when compared to Chara, simply because Chara’s one of the best in the business.
I’m somewhere in the middle when it comes to Phaneuf. I don’t think he’s Ray Bourque but I also don’t think he’s dog meat.
I might be in the minority on this, but I say trade him now that his value is at an all time high. You can probably get a good haul for him right now including a young center, and create lots of cap space.
The drawback is that the Leafs temporarily might take a step back on the blueline, but the team has good depth on D for years to come.
I’ve heard everything to help the Leafs next year to find a top-line center:
– Trade Dipietro and Strome for a Leaf
– Trade one of Phaneuf/Kessel to get a package including a top-pick to draft Sean Monahan
– Trade Jake Gardiner to get a chance to draft Monahan
Looks like Kessel rumours are heating up, mostly because this is probably the peak of his value. Reasons why to deal: H’s a perimeter player in a net-hugging league.
All I know is this…Nonis and Lewieke have said no Leafs are untouchable, including Kessel and Phaneuf. Meaning, you could see some shocking things over the next few years.
BTW…I love Leiweke, he’s a tyrant…He’s gutting the Raptors, and he will soon work on TFC and the Leafs.
Why don’t you YouTube Kessels goals the majority of them are from withing 5-10 feet of the net.
Against Boston, 1 break away goal and 3 goals from pratically inside the crease. You’re right he’d never survive in a ‘net hugging’ league. Good one.
Not my words, but I do agree with it. He does not hit the tough areas is what the term ‘perimeter player’ means.
Like what? Enlighten me, rather than your vague generalities.
Kessel is still a very much one-dimensional player. His defense is still suspect, not the most physical player, and is not the type of player to win alongside the boards and/or crash the net on a consistent basis.
It does not matter where he scores his goal from, a ‘net hugging’ or ‘net front’ league is not his style.
I’m not saying Toronto should deal him…But if it includes a top-line center talent, then I don’t see how Toronto could not survive without him.
Automatically, the wingers (guys like Frattin or JVR) would have better numbers with a top-line center then Kessel.
That is so stupid haha. You’re right Kessel doesn’t belong in this ‘net hugging’ league.
He only you know score GOALS around the net, more than 95% of the league.
But he doesn’t crash through defenders what a bum.
Automatically eh? Let’s overlook the fact that Kessel is a premier playmaker in the NHL for the pulled out of your ass assumption they would do better without him.
Blaze, you’re talking to a guy that criticizes Kessel for finishing top six in NHL scoring two years ago (Kessel’s ceiling) and finishing top seven in scoring this season (clearly Kessel is on the decline eh).
Trade Kessel for some second rate prospect like Monahan that will only be a sexy name at this year’s draft but in reality will be a long shot to be as impactful as Cody Hodgson let alone Phil Kessel.
There isn’t a professional scout in the league that would suggest that Monahan for Kessel is a good trade but facts don’t matter to the true believers of internet draft reports.
I don’t give a shit about points…I’ll take guys with lower points (Kopitar and Toews) over KESSEL any day of the week.
Do you people only look at points? God, Seguin has not performed as well as Kessel…But he could have 2 rings before Kessel makes past the second round.
I could give 2 shits about points, I would rather have a cup…Sorry if you don’t agree.
“Do you people only look at points? God, Seguin has not performed as well as Kessel…But he could have 2 rings before Kessel makes past the second round.”
Your arguments are so illogical I don’t even need to counter point.
Seguin has not perfomed as well as Kessel? Who is Seguin? I’m sure Campbell and Paille are better than Kessel too.
I don’t give a shit about internet fanboy advanced stats that suggest players like Stajan and Steen are horses (cause I saw them suck on a nightly basis when on the Leafs).
Kessel makes plays, is strong on the puck, has a pure goal scorer’s release, elite stickhandling and one of the fast forwards in the league.
That’s one dimensional? Ok…. durrrrr
You talk about Kessel like he’s Michael Ryder.
Great we all agree Toews is better than Kessel. That doesn’t invite a nothing like Monahan to the conversation.
Backed into the corner and chirp, turtle and chirp.
I expect nothing less from you.
Look at what top-line centers have done for wingers around the league.
Craig Janney > Bret Hull it’s automatic, Hull just got carried by his centers.
Nice Craig Janney reference.
Cliff Ronning > Pavel Bure
Love the Cliff Ronning reference.
janney, Ronning… Mellanby? Ferraro?
Do you guys not notice the same trend here? Only one of those players won a cup.
That was Hull…And guess what? He needed Niewendyk and Yzerman to do it.
Once again, it’s fine and dandy if you guys like points…But I like cups. Sorry if you don’t agree.
Monahan it is! LN91 for GM.
Lol, remember all those cups the Leafs won with Niewendyk?
Been there, failed that. Niewy needed Fleury, Hull and Brodeur, he always rode shotgun.
Detroit kept winning without Yzerman.
How many cups does Monahan have btw?
Let’s trade JVR for Max Domi while we’re at it…
Keep making horrible arguments, there hilarious.
HAHA…The Leafs got Niewy at 38-years old, he was not the same then at his prime.
Also, nice job pointing out Fleury…He only came close to another Stanley Cup once after Niewnendyk left.
Also, Brett Hull was great…But he did not win title until he played with Niewy and Yzerman.
Once again fool, if you like points then fine…Were built for that with Kessel.
But some of us would rather have a cup, just saying.
I like how I get called a fool by a beta that whines about breaking up with his girlfriend on a message board :O
No one on this board simply looks at points, that’s a straw man, well every time you ‘pwn’ someone you simply burn a straw man.
Keep building that make belief HockeyFutures.com dynasty, we’re all so impressed with your winning formula.
I love that entire last comment 😉 Backed into a corner and chirp…Typical wallace convo on here.
You’re all talk and no substance, because well…You barely know how to defend your points.
Whose backed into a corner? This is the typical bs you spew (smiley face derp…)
List a bunch of no name prospects you read from a google search doesn’t make you a genius.
To everyone so willing to trade Phil Kessel + significant others for Evgeni Malkin, I have one thing to say.
Versus Boston in the 2013 playoffs:
Kessel – 4 goals; 2 assists
Malkin – 0 goals; 0 assists
I know you’re just throwing that out there, but it’s not fair to make that comparison. The leafs did not play a Bruins team like this. You can give some credit to the leafs for using their speed to take Boston out of their game, but I don’t think Kessel gets 4 goals and 2 assist against the last 4 Boston games.
Another factor is that we started every game against Colton Orr against Chara. Orr would go in and forecheck hard, get a hit on Chara, throw an additional cheap shot, etc. We worked Chara hard, and often, so much that by the end of almost every game in that series Zdeno was keeling over in pain.
Since that series it’s been easy sailing for Chara by comparison.
Hockey is a team game guys, there are always multiple factors.
The trade Phil Kessel wagon only has three wheels. The logic behind it always seems to be Kessel can score, but is one dimensional, Toews has fewer points but is a better player, therefore, trade Kessel for a draft pick and hope that draft pick is better than Toews, even though that is problably about a 1/500 chance.
Kessel is not the best player in the league, but he is undoubtedly a top 5 winger. I would be all for trading Kessel for a clearly better player. I would do that trade all day. However, not one team with a better player than Kessel would be willing to move said player. I mean its not as if the list of players better than Kessel is very long.
Also, the point on winning cups isn’t lost on me. However its over simplification to state simply that a good center is automatically better than Kessel. The problems the leafs face isn’t that Kessel isn’t good enough, but rather that he so far he isn’t quite surrounded by enough talent.
Nobody wins a cup alone. The leafs need to add to Kessel not move him. The Leafs have one Elite level player. Last several teams to win the cup have had multiple.
LA – Quick, Kopitar, Doughty, Brown
BOS – Bergeron, Chara, Thomas, Marchand, Krejci
CHI – Toews, Kane, Hossa, Keith, Seabrook
Pit – Crosby, Malkin, Letang, Staal
Det – Datsyuk, Lidstrom, Zetterberg,
Ana – Selanne, Niedemeyer, Pronger, Giguere
Car – Staal, Brind’Amour, Williams, Ward, Whitney
And its not as if these teams didn’t have great supporting casts behind those stars either.
We always see scenarios where trade rumors crop up regarding the top centers in the League Stamkos, Tavares, Backstrom, Getzlaf, Malkin, only to see a little while later their team never intended to move them.
The Leafs should be focusing on adding without major subtractions. Besides, with Kessel on the team, we don’t need a center that can do it all, a center that compliment Kessel would work just fine. Guys like Bergeron, Backes, Kesler, Krejci, Pavelski, M. Richards would be a great fit. Not saying they are available either, but when you look at when they were drafted, you don’t need a lottery pick to get and develop that kind of player.
Also, this knee jerk reaction at this point is kind of silly. The Leafs have been consistently adding and adding, and now that the results are finally starting to show, suggesting trading their best forward and defensemen, who are both still young, is a little dumb. I am not saying that it might not come to a point where they have to look at moving them, but doing for just for the sake of a shake up isn’t the best option.
Like Toronto is going to hit the reset button after their first meaningful playoff appearance in ages. If Nonis trades top talent for draft picks he gets axed and for once I’d side with MLS’n’E.
Not saying it’s a good deal or bad deal, I frankly don’t like it…But you cannot say 100% that anyone on this roster is safe. Especially a player like Kessel.
100% the Leafs aren’t looking to rebuild. Notice they don’t even rebuild when they miss the playoffs. Consider what they invested in Kessel in the first place, no way they give him anyway for huge gamble pick.
Trading Phil Kessel does not make a lot of sense unless its in a deal for Evgeny Malkin or someone of that ilk (there aren’t many.)
As for Dion Phaneuf, that’s a different story altogether. Edmonton would probably part with the 7th overall pick for Dion, the Hurricanes are rumoured to be looking for a top 4 dman and would include their 1st rounder, 5th overall for the right player. Dion would certainly fit the mould. So we could land a blue chip prospect for Phaneuf potentially, and re-vamp out D in other ways.
I would love to see us acquire the rights to Streit, and sign him to a deal, then go after a couple of hard nosed veterans, and maybe leave a spot open for a kid.
Something like this for next year –
Streit – Hainsey
Gardiner – Franson
Gunnarsson – Fraser
Hannan – Blacker
Jake, Cody, and Gunner could all be poised to continue to develop and take on bigger roles. Throw a kid like Blacker into the mix, hope that Fraser continues to be a steady depth guy, and add a couple veterans into the mix. Not a bad group, and something Carlyle could work with.
I wouldn’t hate that Phaneuf deal but I’m comfortable with us picking up a center prospect with our current pick.
I’d much prefer using Phaneuf as a key to a blockbuster or see what we could get for him at the deadline. Perhaps swap him for another pending UFA like Thorton, Malkin, Datsyuk, Bergeron, Pavelski, Sedins, Statsny… just saying that anyone under the gun at the deadline the Leafs would sit pretty given most people could take Phaneuf or leave him (this is a good problem to have).
Also love next year’s UFA defensemen to shore up our D Orpik, Hjalmarsson, Pitkanen, Boumeester, Letang, Robidas, Boyle, Markov… lots of options, not as hot of this years crop.
Also David Bolland would be a UFA. Bolland and McClement would be a great Caryle type bottom six pair at center. Kadri a great 2nd line center, good depth, I’d love to see Bolland in there.
As for Kessel comparisons, I see him in a Patrick Kane type role. Kane doesn’t hurt Chicago, he’s a cornerstone of their success. Of course we need add to our center position but Kessel isn’t the villain to building a contender.
Ya next year’s crop looks way better. I think you get a guy like Hainsey, who hasn’t scored a goal in 2 years, and a guy like Scott Hannan, we could potentially get both guys on a 1 year deal at a reasonable salary, and not be tied in for the following year and beyond.
Even for Hainsey I’d go 2 years if he’d come cheap enough. Say $1.75 mil a year.
Love the Dave Bolland idea. Ya a Bolland-McClement combo in the bottom 6 would be the perfect mix for Carlyle. No doubt.
Wallace I suggested Bolland too a while back and again I think i got shit on by the Hate Phaneuf Cliq
Wasn’t me, Bolland has been my favorite player in the league since Chicago first beat Vancouver. My friends and I call him Dougie Jr.
relax Nords. I’ve heard every fan in the league suggest “getting David Bolland” since the Cup win in ’10. You and LN91 always going on about “I said this and people disrespect me.” I would personally love it if you guys would just cool it with the high school BS, because you both know your hockey, its just not necessary.
Not trying to be a jerk, that came off bad. I’m just saying you guys both know your hockey and it shows through most of your posts, but seeking “credit” is a turn off. Fair enough?
Don’t hate me cuz I’m beautiful 😉
Not sure but isn’t it being grossly hypocritical to compare Chara and Phaneuf with all the criticisms of the Leafs captain and his alleged faults?
Dallas acquired Sergei Gonchar and traded the 6th overall pick. That’s weird, considering playoffs are still going on.
Looks like Komarov is leaving for sure. Leafs really need to find another pest to replace him.
Komarov was unique in the fact for being such a pest he rarely took penalties. Not sure who else could fill that role.
I think Chad LaRose would be good in our bottom six. He has two 19 goal seasons, plays gritty and has playoff experience.
Good job Nonis, what a fat *#@!
sportsnet’s nick kypreos is reporting that pk subban has won the norris trophy
Less deserving than Karlsson. Subban, Letang, Karlsson, fuck off.
Oh well, Montreal gonna hafta pay up. Good.
He will get Doughty money…They should actually get the same contract.
Anyways, I’m not the biggest fan…But I would rather give Subban $7 million over Phaneuf. I atleast get something from him.
we are lucky that we signed him to the contract we did this past season,it will cost us 6.5-7.0 million per season after next season.
He had a great season, Habs are looking stupid for not locking him up long term but enjoy it having a Norris winner with a minute cap hit for another season.
the exact oppose we looked smart locking him up to the deal we did,i mean he’s the best defenceman in the league making less than 5 million dollars…but we will re-sign him to a long term contract after next season for about 6.5 7 million per
If he’s the best defencemen in the league, won’t he cost more than the others? What wallace means is it would look a lot better if you were paying him ~5 or w/e long term than a small contract next year and 7-7.5+ for the next decade after.
Also strongly disagree about best defenceman. He’s not as good as Karlsson if the Norris goes to offensive defencemen and not even close to being as all rounded as Weber/Chara/Suter. That said he had a great season and congrats to him.
well he is the best defenceman he just wion the norris that tells you he’s the best he’s 1 of the 5 best in the league already he’s very good offensively better than karlsson in his own end and he’s close to chara and weber as a defenceman he was better than chara this year in the regular season ,however chara didn’t have a good regular season but you can’t take anything away from subban he won it and that’s a fact he will cost us more you didn’t read what i said for the 2 year deal we signed him to we got a bargain on this brdge deal and for 3.25 million he’ll make next season tell he a guy that gets that money that is as good as he is,we know his next contracr will cost us and he’ll be paid like one of the top 5 defenceman in the league i think we’ll sign him for the maxium 8 year length for about 7 million per
He was the best PP player in the league, I’ll give him that. He should also consider sending a gift card to Matt Cooke. A little easier to win when the reigning winner is out half the season.
As a Leafs fan, I’d be happy to see the Habs locked up Subban for 8 years at 7 per.
Mojo is in such shock, he listed Karlsson twice! I was hoping Suter won. I think he was the most deserving for what the award is supposed to be about.
Hey I did not! haha, I wrote “Less deserving than Karlsson.” (note the period) Then I said “Subban, Letang, Karlsson, fuck off.” Because I don’t think these types of defencemen should be on the list of great Norris trophy winners. Now two of them are, and Letang will probably win one of the next couple if he can stay healthy for a full season. It’s garbage.
In a game 7 situation who do you want playing for you? Suter, Chara, and Weber, or Letang, Karlsson, and Subban? If anyone picks the latter 3 guys, then we do not see eye to eye at all. And no one would, because we know they aren’t as good. The award is going to the best offensively skilled player who is playing the position of defense, not the best dman.
Karlsson is a little different than Subban and Letang. He has a very underrated defensive game. Ottawa is a good defensive team, and he was on the pairing charged with the toughest match ups. He did a great job of using his stickhandling and skating to take off the pressure, and was very good at stripping skaters of the puck in the neutral zone. He did sometimes get beat physically or get himself out of position, but all in all, he does a lot of things well defensively. He’s no Nik Lidstrom, but at least defense isn’t a total afterthought in his game.
All I know is the year Karlsson won the Norris trophy he looked like a winger in the playoffs pretending to play defence. Say what you want about his “underrated defensive ability”, as far as I’m concerned his defensive deficiencies are hidden because of his puck possession ability, similar to a Letang. But when push comes to shove, there are a lot of dmen who are way better at the position.
I am not trying to get in on any Subban Bashing, he is a great young D-man, but does anyone else think that with the shortened season it seemed to favour the decision to go with an offensive defensmen? I mean most people I know would trade Subban in a heartbeat for a guy like Chara, Weber, Ekman-Larsson, Pietrangelo but were O.K. with Subban winning the Norris. It’s as if they went, well it’s ok to go all in on offense in a shorter season, cause its so hard to rate the best defensive defensemen against each other in a short season where all the teams don’t play each other.
There is a president for it too. In 2008-2009 Chara wins it with 50 pts over Green who finished with 31 goals and 72 pts. In 2010-11 Lidstrom wins it with fewer points than Vishnovsky.
Again, not saying that Subban is anything less than a great defensemen, but it just seems weird that in a shortened season, the nominees were just the top three scoring defenesmen, and the guy who technically finished 1st in defensmen scoring wins it. Just seems a little lazy to me personally. I think it’s largely due to the fact that I think Ekman-Larsson and Chara both really deserved nominations.
Solid offensive numbers, while easily being far and away the best defensive defensmen in the league this year.
And for all those Phaneuf haters who say hes terrible, he finished 11th in the league in voting for the same award. Again, as I have continusously said, hes no Norris candidate, but a legitimate number one on a good team. He would be at his best if he had another defensmen close to his ability to either play with, or on a 2nd pairing so he didn’t need to play 25 minutes a night. He’s very effective in the 22 minute range.
good hire by the olers for their headcoach …now all the oilers have to do is give him the pieces to be successful….if they don’t he won’t last long there and it won’t be his fault,they need to work on their defence and goaltending
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