Are the Penguins after Jagr?

Winnik nice, but not enough for Penguins

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44 Responses to Are the Penguins after Jagr?

  1. doorman says:

    Evidently the Panthers are not just selling as everyone predicted. Jagr will slot in nicely for them and help some of the younger guys.

  2. Gambo says:

    Holy shit. Clarkson was traded.

  3. LN91 says:

    Even lafleur must be impressed.

  4. leafs_wallace93 says:

    Second dumbest trade besides Gomez but fucking happy with it.

  5. leafy says:

    Very good deal. The Leafs pay Horton to not play (who cares?…Leafs are rich anyway) and they get rid of Clarkson and his contract since Horton’s contract won’t count against the cap if he’s on long term injury reserve. It’s like buying out Clarkson without the cap hit. If Horton returns, that’s good too and he’s a better player than Clarkson and could be more easily traded if needed.

    • leafs_wallace93 says:

      How my brain worked for the last two seasons, Leafs->Clarkson->sad

      • leafy says:

        I actually liked him in New Jersey. I didn’t expect him to be such a stiff.

        • leafs_wallace93 says:

          It’s the cap, otherwise he’d be a 4th line fan favorite type. Cap has taken so much fun out of the league, we just resent anyone for not playing better than their cap hit.

          • doorman says:

            this is a true statement. I for one know I wanted and used exactly Clarksons name for more then a year. He was exactly what I thought we needed, tuff, played hard scored a decently. Wow was it bad for him, worst part is he was one of the few who played hard and cared, just didn’t work for him.

            • leafs_wallace93 says:

              I remember the days where fans loved guys like Corson, Tucker, Green… in today’s NHL people would just whine about them and put them in a billion trade proposals.

              Today we cheer for 2nd round draft picks because we can’t resent them yet.

              • doorman says:

                Ya the cap changed everything, somethings for the good and some for the bad. It makes it hard to do business, but hopefully the Leafs keep finding a way. I hope the space is used wisely, I can see taking on shorter bad contracts with perks to us in the offseason, more then I see retaining salary for the duration of a Phil/Dion type contract, or at least I hope.

              • blaze says:

                Big time, I’m in the 1% that actually liked Clarksons game.

                Cared more than anyone on the team, wanted to play here, played hard, fought, speaks highly of the organization on his way out.

                Overall he was a really solid third liner, obviously not worth the money so unreal trade. Amazing how drastically the cap changes the perception of players. Then once the confirmation bias kicks in it doesn’t matter what he does even good play goes unrecognized.

  6. leafy says:

    If this keeps up, half of the Marlies will be promoted to the big club by next week.

  7. leafy says:

    And Jagr is off to the Sunshine State. He was traded to the Panthers for two picks.

  8. Gambo says:

    I miss capgeek 🙁

  9. nordiques100 says:

    In the summer, Horton will count against the Leafs cap. The Leafs can still go 10% over the cap limit during that time but must get down to below the cap max by the 1st game of the regular season. This is when the Leafs next year can put Horton on LTIR.

    This flexibility is huge for them going forward. Just unbelieveably huge.

  10. LN91 says:

    I would not be surprised if Clarkson did well in CLB…Small market, Todd Richards and that core in CLB suits Clarkson better then Toronto.

    • doorman says:

      I think Clarkson will do well and I honestly hope he does. Like you said the flexabilty is huge for the Leafs. Space like this after a few more trades allows us to “buy” prospects and picks for bad contracts. If I was Nonis & Shanahan I would be asking my staff to search for shorter bad contracts that competitive teams may like to have us take so to speak. Obviously nothing long term but if we are rebuilding then, why not explore options like this smartly. LA & Pitt are teams this may appeal to as well as the Bruins.

    • leafs_wallace93 says:

      Hartnell-Jenner-Clarskon?

      Could work

  11. nordiques100 says:

    Im setting myself to expect nothing else to be done by the Leafs.

    Maybe except for the other UFAs, Booth, Jokinen, Holzer to be dumped.

    But, if we’re pleasantly surprised Lupul, Bozak or dare i say even Phaneuf get traded in the next 3 days, that would be stunning and amazing at the same time.

    I myself don’t think they will be moved right now. Hard to without bad contracts coming back. But, after seeing Clarkson traded, Im not saying never anymore. It really seems anything can happen.

  12. leafs_wallace93 says:

    So what is to be done with Clarkson 5 million? I suppose Kadri and Bernier get extended.

    Bernier, fine, I’m not complaining, makes sense.

    Kadri? Blogger darling, good fancy stats but I don’t understand how the blogging community ignores Kadri’s size. I’ve never heard a non advance stat nerd say a good thing about Kadri. I don’t see how Kadri makes this team better.

    Wouldn’t mine seeing Bozak traded just so we can see the Kadri-Kessel experiment fail just like we saw the Horachek system fail to shut up the smart marks.

  13. doorman says:

    I have no issue with Kadri being resigned as long as it is a team friendly bridge deal.

    • nordiques100 says:

      I read that Hunter is a huge Kadri supporter. So its likely he stays a Leaf unless someone blows the doors off the Leafs.

      Bernier is a interesting case. Consistency a huge issue. Same with Reimer. Both show flashes of being legit goalie, other times though, they look awful. I think Toronto will keep taking a chance on Bernier to hope he finds some middle ground between his really bad games and good ones.

      I have a feeling if Richards is still a King property past Monday, he will be a Leaf come the summer. That’s where the Clarkson money will go the most i think.

      But, at the same time, if Richards comes in, a guy like Bozak or Lupul could be gone, meaning the salaries are a wash and they still have Clarkson money to use.

      I think it would be best to find the next Raymond, Santorelli, Winnik types. Cheap, acquisitions that offer solid returns, and likely, with the team in a rebuild again next year, they can flip these for more prospects and picks. I hope they don’t blow everything on one guy. There isn’t anyone really worth that out there.

    • blaze says:

      He just signed a bridge deal a Gardiner type deal is more likely.

  14. doorman says:

    I wonder what the cost of taking Richards contract will cost the Kings? Their first is obviously off the table, but a 2nd won’t be enough to take him and a 2017 1st well who cares. They are not looking to trade young roster players and their prospects don’t excite me enough to do it.

    • blaze says:

      Richards to Toronto is done they’ve used up the assets to make it worthwhile enough to Toronto.

      • blaze says:

        Holy shit I can post again after nearly two weeks, trademan I don’t if you even run this site anymore but it’s stuff like this that is keeping this place on life support when it used to be pretty good, tried to make a new account and can’t do that either, is this place on autopilot??

  15. leafs_wallace93 says:

    What’s awesome about Horton’s cap relief is that if the Leafs strip down, Horton’s contract brings them to the floor and if maxed the cap it comes off, no down side.

  16. blaze says:

    Dion Phanuef to Dallas for Ales Hemsky, Jamie Oleksiak and a 2nd

  17. blaze says:

    NO to any salary retention to Dion or Kessel(ridiculous).

    With this new found cap space IMO the best move is to retain salary on Lupul/Bozak. I believe Toronto can only retain on one more contract if it was at the deadline, but by summer with the Winnik deal expiring it should open up another spot for retention.

    Both players are 100% movable at full salary but would carry much more value at a lower deal, which honestly we havnt really seen done yet for a quality player with multiple years. Then again we havn’t seen a trade like the Clarkson trade ever.

    At the deadline try for one of

    Tyler Bozak (50% retained) to Chicago for a 1st(2015)

    Joffrey Lupul (50% retained) to Washington for Tom Wilson

  18. blaze says:

    As for Philly Cheese hate to deal him inside the division but Florida seems likely to have strong interest. Tallon straight up said adding a 40 goal scorer would put his team in the playoffs.

    Last year there were three 40 goal scorers in the NHL. Kessel is the only guy available that even comes close to fitting the bill and is locked up to fit perfectly with their young core.

    Phil Kessel to Florida for Erik Gudbranson, Quinton Howdon and 1st(2015)

    • doorman says:

      It’s Unfotunate for the Leafs I think Tallon tries to stay strong to trade no stud pieces like he did with Lou. They would be our most ideal trading partner along with Nashville for getting good young Dman and a pick. In our favor is Phil doesn’t have to be traded so Nonis doesn’t have to trade him for cap space and a sub par return.

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