2007 Habs looking like the 1986 Habs????

Ok, first off, this is probably a coincidental finding on my part but what the hell, I thought it was very interesting. But anyways…

While looking through an old hockey book, NHL Pro Hockey’85/’86 by Jim Proudfoot, i looked upon the future 1986 Stanley Cup Champions, Les Canadiens de Montreal. Well, the first thing i noticed was Jim Proudfoot’s analysis of the Habs strengh’s and weaknesses. defences are basically the same in offence. Both are/were reliable when it came to 5 on 5 situations and both could chip in when it counts.

Like, look at it this way, these 2 teams are so similar, that the players are alike. Mike Komisarek is an up and coming Craig Ludwig but with more offensive punch. They even had struggling goal scorers for crying out loud in Ryan Walter and Alexei Kovalev. Even the goaltending is similar with Penney/Soetart and Huet/Halak. They both even had Top notch goaltending prospects in Patrick Roy and Carey Price. **Note, I am not comparing Price to Roy so please refrain from saying that I am**

One last note to pass along, the expectations for both teams were reasonably low for their respective years. The 1986 Habs were supposed to finish 3rd or 4th in the Adams Division, just barely qualifying for a play-off spot all while finishing first the previous year. This year’s Habs are expected to finish 3rd to 5th in the North-East Division after a season of finishing 10th overall but also while holding down 2nd in the North-East for roughly half the season.

So yeah, I thought this would make an interesting read for the site, I know I found it interesting. But yeah, leave me your thoughts.


40 Responses to 2007 Habs looking like the 1986 Habs????

  1. habsrock99 says:

    I meant 10th Overall in the Eastern Conference.

  2. BLUE_AND_WHITE says:

    The habs biggest problem is 5 on 5.

    sorry, but its really hard for me to find the connection, a totally different era of hocey. The Habs have been considered underdogs for many years, one could make the same compairson about last season..except they didn't win the cup

  3. habsrock99 says:

    If HTR wouldn't have cut the article all to shit, the comparison is plain to see. Both teams had the same type of offence minus the terrible goaltending back in the 80's. Heading into 1986, the Habs had 4 legitimate 20 goal scorers with 1 40 goal sniper in Mats Naslund. Heading into this season, they have 5 legit 20 goal scorers with one (Ryder) in his UFA season which could translate into a 40+ goal campaign. I had like 15 other arguments in the article but, again, they were cut out.

  4. habsoverserver says:

    the 86 habs had four hall of famers in gainey, robinson, chelios and roy.  they had two hundred point scorers in naslund and smith.  plus a selke winner in carbo.  they had the third best defense and ninth best offense in the prior season and were the defending division champions.

    the 86 habs were not a fluke.  the 07-08 habs don't yet compare. 

  5. leafy says:

    The 1986 Habs stole the Cup thanks to Patrick Roy.  The 2007-08 do NOT have a Patrick Roy.  End of discussion.

  6. eron says:

    It had two definite hall of famers: Gainey and Robinson.  Both were also in the waning years of their career.

    Scanning that team, they had rookies in Stephane Richer, Claude Lemieux, Patrick Roy, Brian Skrudland, Kjell Dahlin (who is pretty much unheard of but in his rookie year had 32 goals and 71 points that yaer) and Sergio Momesso.  They had a Sophmore in Peter Svoboda.  They then had Chris Chelios, Guy Charbonneau and Mats Naslund, four seasons under their belts, having breakout years.  They also had Bobby Smith in his prime, Ryan Walter (whose career took a nosedive on the Habs after having great years on the Capitals), three names from the Habs Dynasty of the 70's (Robinson, Gainey and Tremblay) and just to note, some kid named Shayne Corson who didn't play much at all.

    You are trying to tell me that the team wasn't a fluke?  That in a season that seen the highest goal/point production totals in NHL history (so you can pretty much see that everyones stats are inflated), where the Oilers are still unbelievable and the Islanders dynasty is still looking amazing, that the Habs were not a fluke? 

    The author shows some great comparisons here.  No-one knew Charbonneau, Richer, Lemieux, Skrudland, Svoboda and Momesso were going to become good to great players.  No-one knew Chelios was going to become a future HOFer.  No-one knew Roy was going to become a Hall of Famer and be a Conn Smythe winning rookie.  No-one knew a kid like Kjell Dallin was going to come out of nowhere and do the production he did.

    In other words, no-one knows what 4 year players like Komisarek, Higgins, Ryder and Plekanec are going to do this year.  The same to sophmores like Latendresse and Lapierre.  Same to rookies like Chipchura, Kostitsyn and quite possibly Price.

    Oh, as well, 3rd best D and 9th best Offence?  Montreal just got done having the top 3 best Power play/Penalty Kill all season long.  Don't ever count out a team from what you don't know, and don't slam a comparison because of what 10 years later told us.

  7. 68north says:

    so what, leafy says end of discussion ok your highness whatever you say loser…

  8. CaptainAvery says:

    By far the best post of 2007, and the Habs will prove these critics wrong and make the playoffs, then we'll just see where we go from there, BIG THINGS HAPPEN AND ANYONE CAN WIN THE CUP COME PLAYOFF TIME, GO HABS GO!

  9. CaptainAvery says:

    leafy, why don't you take a hike. Great things seem to be happening for your Laughs, point being Marky Bell, the drunk driving boozer in the NHL substance program, laddy da da, so how about end of discussion on you, your teams a joke as well as your comment.

  10. PointMeAtTheSky says:

    Anyone can win the cup.

    Now, I'm not saying any of this will happen, but if it did happen, if God decided to bless Les Habitants, if the stars all aligned for them, they could conceivably win it:

    Koivu takes the momentum from from his career year last year and continues as a 20g 70p player.

    Higgins finally becomes the player everyone thinks he can be and scores at least 30 goals.

    Ryer continues to be an unspectactular, but solid and dependable 30 goal scorer.

    Plekanec continues developing and scores 25 goals.

    Kovalev smartens up and scores 20 goals.

    Latendresse continues rising and scores 20 goals.

    Huet shrugs of his inconsistencies and becomes the dominant, game-stealing goalie we know he can be. Halak continues on as an up-and coming can win you some games by himself goalie.

    Or, Halak continues on as an up-and coming can win you some games by himself goalie. Huet plays brilliantly at first but then flounders or gets injured. Price rules the AHL, gets called up sometime in the second half of the season, and brings Montreal to the play-offs and the Cup.

    The thing is, this COULD happen. The potential is there. None of the things I listed is out of the question. But it would all have to happen pretty much.

    And I hate to be negative, but the likelyhood of it all happening at once isn't great.

    I guess my whole point is, It probably won't, but it COULD happen. Anything is possible. Just not probable :p.

  11. PointMeAtTheSky says:

    I was reviewing my comment, and realised, even if the forwards all score like i listed, that's still only 140 goals. Who is going to score the rest? Smolinski and Markov could give you maybe 25 between them at best, that's 165. Who else is going to score? Lapierre? Begin? Kostopolous? Murray (heh heh)? Komisarek? Bouillon? Dandenault? Brisebouis? Streit? at best, they can score 45 goals between them, which brings the total number of goals to 200 (2.44 goals per game). They would need brilliant goaltending a la Minnesota and Vancouver to stay competitive. But those teams also had great defenses to help out their goalies. Montreal has some potential great goalies, but not the defense. Not to mention even Vancouver and Minnesota scored more then 200 goals(222 and 235 respectively).

  12. PointMeAtTheSky says:

    Ok, first off, I meant 35 goals between them to bring them up to 200 goals.

    I did however, forget Andrei Kostitsyn. He scored 1 goal in 22 games last year. That's 4 goals if he plays 82 games. Of course, he should improve, with more experience and such, but he seems more of a play-maker, I doubt he will get even 15 goals.

  13. PointMeAtTheSky says:

    Wow, 4 posts in a row.

    Sorry for the pessimism of before. I usually try to be optimistic.

    I do see the comparisons between the two teams. Let's hope that history does repeat itself.

  14. THEGREATHAB says:

    I do not think this years Habs compare to the 86 Habs,  I mean they had some young star power in Carbs, Richer, Chelios, Roy, Skrudland, and Svoboda.  Along with these guys they had some proven stars in Gainey, Robinson, Naslund and Smith.  If I was to compare this team to any other Canadien Championship team,  I would go with the 93 Canadiens,  look at thier roster,  they were basically a group of players that nobody expected to make the playoffs,  let alone win the cup.  However if it wasn't for Roy,  we wouldnt have won the cup in 86 or 93,  I do not think there is another goalie in the league that can carry a team like St Pat did.

  15. DandoEagle says:

    yup yup yup

    the team comparisons are scarry relaly, I meen the 86 Habs started out the saeson wih Penny (comparaed to Huet) and by the end of the playoffs a rookie goalie took the cup for them (Cary Price). I think we can make the comparsons easy

    Saku Koivu – Mats Naslund
    Chris Higgns -Guy Carboneau
    Alexei Kovalev -Bobby Smith
    Komisarek – Craig Ludwig
    Guillaume Latendresse – Claude Lemieux (both gritty french power fowards)
    Roman Hamrlik – Larry Robinson
    Andre Markv – Chris Chelios
    Rick Green – Sheldo soray

    It's scarey how close the teams look really

  16. simplyhabby says:

    LOL, yet another Leaf or Hab rehashed season preview.  Not cutting down the author and the reason why we have so many because they always have a large response but in essence still a vision of the upcoming season.

    The habs will be a hit or miss this year or a combination of streaks like last year.

    Remember hab fans until December how we were challenging Buffalo for the Conference but to be inflicted by a flu, a few injuries, Gainey's tragedyrand just over all inconsistency, caused our demise in a competitve conference. 

    I can see us finishing as high as 2nd in the NE or even deadlast.  It all depends how much speed filled great cycling hockey we can play.  Not to mention if our 5 on 5 play improves (which really should not take much)

    As for 86 and the same thing as 93, you and pinpoint the one guy as the key to those cup vicotories (no need to name) but the team infront of him played great team hockey.  If I remember correctly, the habs had 6 20 goal scorers in 93 and both in 86 and 93, some proven vets on the team with star young talent. 

    If the habs have fantastic goaltending that will keep games close (we have to make the playoffs first) and some guys step up, then yes if everything falls into place perfectly we can win a cup this year but the chances of that happening….hmmm lets say 1-30.

  17. superman1914 says:

    leafy we could see that yor not normal by that coment, i wondn't be talking if i was you for over 40 year your stupid team as suck, and the stupid leafs wont wint the cup for the next 10-15 years that i could garanty you so shut F@$#%$%#^%$ up
     

  18. RealisticNick says:

    Well put, giving your opinion without really asking for negative feedback.  I agree, I think the Canadiens will be better this year as at least a couple of those things should happen, if not its going to be  a long season.

  19. habsoverserver says:

    my key point is that the 86 team  was a pretty good team
    in 1985 – won their division, finished third best in defense and 9th best in offense.  they built on 1985 and were even better in 1986.  the 06-07 team missed the playoffs, had 16th best offense and 20th best defense.  montreal played 15 playoff games in 84, 12 in 85 and 20 in 86.  that's 27 playoff games in the 2 seasons prior to their cup run.  montreal has played a total  6 playoff games over the last 2 seasons and had won only two rounds over the plast 8 seasons.  the pasts of teams are just not comparable

    chelios had 64 points in 74 games in his 84-85 rookie season – one of the best rookie seasons by a defenseman of all time.  robinson was not over the hill in 86.  he had 82 points, his second best point total in his career.  smith and naslund were better scorers than anyone on the habs roster today. 

    montreal won more games than the isles in both 85 and 86.  the oilers were a great offensive team and were the legit cup favorites, despite their below average sloppy defense.  philadelphia may have been a better team than either montreal or the oilers.  but montreal had the better defense and some veteran playoff leadership plus a rookie who would become the greatest playoff goalie of all time.

    but that's not the point, the key is that the 85 habs were a ton better than the 06 habs which makes it very very hard for the 07 habs to be comparable to the 86 habs.  and if you read carefully i wrote that the 07 team does not "yet" compare to the 86 team.  

    i didn't count out the 07 team. in my opinion, to compare a team that is consensus little changed since missing the playoffs to a team that won a cup having gone deep in the playoffs the prior seasons just isn't meaningful. 

  20. EddieAVS says:

    sure, both teams have similar players. the players of 86 were still much better and most of them turned out to be great players as well as hall of famers.

    the only difference between this team and that team, is Patrick Roy. This argument could be made by so many ppl. well if all goes well, maybe our rookie goalie can come in and win the cup for us. The habs team isnt balanced enough to come anywhere close to being the 86 team. They had great scorers, they had a really good defense and they got goaltending at the right time by one of the best ever to play the game.

    its not even an issue.

  21. habsrock99 says:

    Just one of the many arguments that were left out of my article when it was published, i had said that yes the 1984-85 Habs finished first in the Adams division, but couldn't do anything because Steve Penney was a joke of a first string goalie. They lost confidence in him, making room for Patrick Roy to take the reigns. Fast forward to 2007 Training Camp, Cristobal Huet has led the Habs to the play-offs once and has won only 19 and 18 games respectively over the last 2 years as well as going on a losing skid at some point in the season.

  22. habsoverserver says:

    do you have a copy of your complete article?  why don't you publish it as a comment?  i am sure it would be a good read. 

  23. kingcup says:

    yo people, let s all chill here.

    I am not a leaf fan, i do not agree with leafy for a bit, but that s no reason to trash talk like that. He did not insult anybody here.
    Show some class and RESPOND to what he says; nothing comes out of saying is a moron or whatever, you are just proving him right.
    My opinion is that we MIGHT have a major goalie in our hands that COULD pull out an upset and drive us deep into the series. But it s waaaaay to early to dismiss or crown him.
    in the mean time, every body relax and enjoy the upcoming season
  24. jarcpitre says:

    A word of advice to you Hab fans, STOP LOOKING BACK AT THE PAST and look at the future. You have great debth in the organization, but you really have to get off the kick of "How Many Cups Does Your Team Have". Its really not about the past but its about the now, you wanna see a cup in your lifespan instead of reading about it.

  25. habsrock99 says:

    I don't actually have it but I can re-post it as a comment because i remember at least 90% of my arguments.

  26. habsrock99 says:

    Ok, here is my article in almost in it's entirety. (I can't remember certain arguments i made when i originally wrote it)

    While looking through an old hockey book, NHL Pro Hockey'85/'86 by Jim Proudfoot, i looked upon the future 1986 Stanley Cup Champions, Les Canadiens de Montreal. Well, the first thing i noticed was Jim Proudfoot's analysis of the Habs strength's and weaknesses. In this book, Proudfoot stated that the Habs strengths, and I quote…Strong nucleus and Superb Young Talent waiting in the wings…And their main weakness is…Stretching it a bit thin on Offence…This is an almost exact analysis of the 2007 Habs heading into the 07-08 season. The current Habs have a good nucleus that will only get stronger and they have arguably the best minor system in the NHL. If it's not the best, it's pretty damn close.

    The Habs that were heading to the Stanley Cup Finals in 1986, had four proven 20 Goal Scorers at the NHL level and they were: Guy Carbonneau(23), Mats Naslund(42), Chris Nilan(21) and Mario Tremblay(35). The 2007 Montreal Canadiens also have four proven 20 Goal Scorers and they are: Saku Koivu(22), Tomas Plekanec(20), Chris Higgins(22) and Michael Ryder(30). Those same players who won the Cup in 1986 posted 20, 43, 19 and 19 goals respectively. Their is no reason to think that the current Montreal players can surpass those 101 goals from the '86 players. Seeing as Higgins and Plekanec can only get better as well as Koivu is almost a lock for 20, the Habs can have nearly 80 goals among three of the four players mentioned. And seeing as this is likely Ryder's last year as a Hab and seeing as it is his UFA season, 40+ goals isn't out of the question. That's potentially 19 more goals than the Cup winner's.

    Both the 1986 and 2007 Habs have similar defences. In '86, the Habs 3 legitimate back end scorers heading into the Cup winning season, Chris Chelios(9-55-64), Tom Kurvers(10-35-45) and Larry Robinson(14-33-47). Heading into the 2007 Season, the Habs have THREE legitimate back end threats, Roman Hamrlik(7-31-38), Andrei Markov(6-43-49) and Mark Streit(10-26-36). Both defences are basically the same in offence. Both are/were reliable when it came to 5 on 5 situations and both could chip in when it counts

    The goalies are pretty much the same. Going into the '86 season, no one knew who was #1. It was between Steve Penney(3.08 GAA), Doug Soetart(3.40 GAA) and Patrick Roy(5.55 GAA in the QMJHL). Going into this season, The Habs have a similar situation with one extra goalie. 2007 Habs goalies: Cristobal Huet(2.81 GAA), Jaroslav Halak(2.00 GAA in AHL, 2.89 GAA in NHL), Yann Danis(2.81 GAA in AHL) and Carey Price(2.45 GAA in WHL).

    Like, look at it this way, these 2 teams are so similar, that the players are alike. Bryan Smolinski is the defensive minded 3rd line forward like Bob Gainey except less talented overall. Chris Higgins is like Guy Carbonneau and with the help of Guy Carbonneau, Higgins could exceed all expectations. Tomas Plekanec is like a more offensive minded Mike McPhee. Could Mikael Grabovski or Andrei Kostitsyn be this year's Kjell Dahlin? Mike Komisarek is an up and coming Craig Ludwig but with more offensive punch. They even had struggling goal scorers for crying out loud in Ryan Walter and Alexei Kovalev. Even the goaltending is similar with Penney/Soetart and Huet/Halak. They both even had Top notch goaltending prospects in Patrick Roy and Carey Price. **Note, I am not comparing Price to Roy so please refrain from saying that I am** 

    The only major difference's between the two Clubs is the fact that Larry Robinson is one of the greatest all around defenceman ever and is in a class of his own. He was fast, mobile, hard-hitting with a knack to score points. No one in the NHL since, has been able to do what Robinson did.

    One last note to pass along, the expectations for both teams were reasonably low for their respective years. The 1986 Habs were supposed to finish 3rd or 4th in the Adams Division, just barely qualifying for a play-off spot all while finishing first the previous year. This year's Habs are expected to finish 3rd to 5th in the North-East Division after a season of finishing 10th overall but also while holding down 2nd in the North-East for roughly half the season.

  27. jody200411 says:

    Dont get me wrong I like the City of montreal but HATE the franchise!

    It turns my stomach that I have to watch the Habs be dominant for the next 5+ years.

    I laugh at people (even Hab fans) when some of them say that “oh those prospects may be a bust”.
    For Jesus sakes guys you have about 10000027938938 quality prospects. How the hell can they all be busts?!?!?

    The days are gone when theres only 4 or 5 top prospects of Mike Ribeiro, Eric Choinard, Jason Ward, Marcel Hossa, and then theres jim1, bob, john1, jim2, sam, jim3, dave, and everyone else.
    Now there Price, McDonough, Fischer, Halak, Plekanec, Higgins, Lapierre, Latendresse, Chipchura, Grabovski, Emelin, Valentenko, Pacioretty, Aubin, White, OByrne, Maxwell, jesus im sick of writing

    Now if all those guys are busts plus the other million, then fold the franchise because youre officailly cursed!

    F–K, just forget about the damn past and look at your future!

    makes me sick

  28. jody200411 says:

    Dont get me wrong I like the City of montreal but HATE the franchise!

    It turns my stomach that I have to watch the Habs be dominant for the next 5+ years.

    I laugh at people (even Hab fans) when some of them say that “oh those prospects may be a bust”.
    For Jesus sakes guys you have about 10000027938938 quality prospects. How the hell can they all be busts?!?!?

    The days are gone when theres only 4 or 5 top prospects of Mike Ribeiro, Eric Choinard, Jason Ward, Marcel Hossa, and then theres jim1, bob, john1, jim2, sam, jim3, dave, and everyone else.
    Now there Price, McDonough, Fischer, Halak, Plekanec, Higgins, Lapierre, Latendresse, Chipchura, Grabovski, Emelin, Valentenko, Pacioretty, Aubin, White, OByrne, Maxwell, jesus im sick of writing

    Now if all those guys are busts plus the other million, then fold the franchise because youre officailly cursed!

    F–K, just forget about the damn past and look at your future!

    makes me sick

  29. ferron says:

     The two teams are like total opposite, The 1986 habs was one of the best deffensive team of ALL time, Guys like Chelios, Svoboda, Gainey, Carboneau, Ludwig, Green, Skrudland, Lemieux, Robinson even Smith and Naslund could play well at both end of the ice, all these players without any exeption where known for practicing a defensive type of game Guy Carboneau and Bob Gainey where the league's  top centers when it came to faceoff and on  Pk time and on top of all that you add the best  playoff's Player of all time 'Patrick"Caseau"Roy' .This year's team is a very talented offensive team, but probably wont  produce much again due to Carboneau's many mistakes, hope he(Carbo) will get his shit together and maybe we(Habs Fans) will get to see fixed lines this year, I also wish Carbo would move Plek, Higgins and Kostitsyn to the first line since Koivu and Kovalev proved year after year that They could not produce offensively on a regular base due to the amount of pressure in Montreal so I say it's time for a new and young "First Line" and if given ice time Higgins, Plek and Kostitsyn will give you way more than what Koivu, Kovalev and Ryder will!

                      Higgins     Plekanec      Kostitsyn
                      Kovalev     Koivu           Ryder
                      Latend      Smolinski     Grabov/Chipchura/S.Kostitsyn/Lahti/???
              Streit/Begin       Lapierre        Kostopoulos  (Checking Line)

                           Markov        Komisarek
                           Hamrlik       Bouillon/Streit
                           Dandenault  Briser/Gorges/O'Byrne/Valentenko

                                   Huet/Halak/Danis/Price

       Danis will be traded soon and Huet will go at the trade deadline, I also put Streit both on an offensive and defensive's spot cause i think that he will alternate after proving that he was maybe better up front! I hope S. Kostitsyn makes it and that both Kovalev and Ryder get traded at some point in the season , it would be nice if Dandenault and Begin could vanish, I personally rather have Chipchura and O'Byrne on my team than Dandenault and Begin , I also think That we will see Valentenko for at least a few games we would not want Pavel to pull a Perezhogin, who we lost due to  poor coaching and management!  Go Habs Go!

  30. Rico420 says:

    As a lifelong Habs fan, I can truly say that the only common theme between the 85-86 Habs and this years squad is that the Logo is still the same, they're going to roll out four lines with 2 guys who can play the pipes and Carbonneau/Gainey/Green are all still apart of the franchise.

  31. leafssuck67 says:

    i like what ur head's at, but dude seriously? how can u compare ROMAN HAMRLIK to LARRY ROBINSON…thats a bit far-fetched…koivu to naslund is pretty tough also but koivu is gettin better every season so again the maybe's start…if kovalev becomes the player he CAN be, hes gonna play with saku and thats potential for a huge season between the 2 of em

    also…sheldon sourray is gone…no one really compares to green…

  32. habsrock99 says:

    Now, I agree with a lot of what you're saying except the whol Koivu thing. Koivu put together one of his best offensive campaigns of his career and led the club in points last year. Plekanec is still a year or two away from being THE #1 guy in Montreal. Remember, he's had one good offensive NHL campaign, if he better's those numbers (which he should barring injury), then he'll be ready but until then, Koivu is the # 1 guy. Also, Kovalev ISN'T the #1 LW and hasn't been for over a year. He's by far our most talented player but is heartless and will play a 3rd line role while seeing significant PP time, likely at the point because of his hard accurate shot. Though I highly disagree with using a Forward as a Point Man, it'll be the likely scenario this season.

  33. habsrock99 says:

    Did I once say that any of Montreal's prospects were going to be busts in this article? Did I imply that they were going to bust? If I did, and please let me know because if I did, I hereby denounce my faith in the Montreal Canadiens and will suffer the fate of cheering for the Phoenix Coyotes and Columbus Blue Jackets.

    Or, am I right when I say that this comment had nothing to do with the article?

  34. turdfergusson says:

    Some of u people need to have your head examined. Not the fact that the Habs could win, but just the whole comparison thing.

    Not even close on ANY level.

  35. TheHabsEnthousiast says:

    Hey body, I was borned during the 1979 Habs Stanley Cup Celebrations, I was starting school the '86 one and starting kissing the '93 one, I don't know who you cheer for, but once you felt it (even for fans..), you don't read about it, you remember those Desjardins-OvertimeWinning-Hat-Trick-Goal type of moments !!!

    And as I look at the future, I see youth, great youth, and Gainey, a Winner, a wise man.. And as a competition stand-point, everybody has an equal chance to win it, but I don't know why, we just do it more often !!

  36. ferron says:

       Yes I also Agree that Koivu's a Warrior, an Example, a role model but I don't want my first line center to get me 75 pts at best! A first line center should be able to change the tempo of a game and get you at least 80 pts/season  witch Koivu was never able to accomplish due to numerous injuries and played with lazy, untalented or inexperienced players troughout his career, unfortunuatly Koivu's era has past and with same amout of ice time "I" think Plekanec would give more of an offensive production than what Koivu gave us for the last eleven years. Last year Plekanec had as good a second half of season than Ovechkin, Plekanec has better hands than Koivu, Last year Plekanec was one of leagues best on the PK and spent next to no time on the PP. We all going to have to face it one day, Koivu's  probably one of the league's best second line center as he finished 37th in scoring in NHL but he ain't no First liner, all I'm saying is that he had a lot of ice time last year and now with the new rules helping guys like him? So take pressure off him by moving him to the second line, cause the Canadiens will never win a cup with him as our first line center. As for Kovalev , if he plays on the checking line, it's going to be a long year in MTL! Just pray that Carey Price's as good as everyone(including me) thinks he is.

  37. habsrock99 says:

    Again, you put together a good argument but that fact still remains that Plekanec is still relatively unproven and the same can be said about Higgins and for sure Kostitsyn. I told everyone I knew at the beginning of last season that Koivu had 2 years left of 1st line duty in Montreal before Plekanec took the spotlight. So far, I've been relatively right about Plekanec as he is, just one year away from 1st line duty.

  38. ferron says:

    Can you imagine if something would to happened to Plek and Koivu at the same time, God Forbid! Who would be our first center then?

  39. 92-93 says:

    i saw the title and the first thing i thought was (and some people think that only leaf fans have the capacity to be delusional??).

    then i read the article and its a decent article for what its worth, even though the comparision is laughable.

    needless to say, i've bookmarked this article so that i can refer to it in mid-April 2008. 

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