Buyer beware

The trade deadline is the passion that divides us all. The various NHL clubs are spit into Buyers and sellers. In theory the buyers get a short term jolt into their lineup for a stanely cup run (short term gain) while giving up picks and prospects to the sellers (long term gain).

However, I have always believed that buyers lose much more often then thay win.

STANELY CUP BUYERS:

1999-2000
Montreal traded Vladimir Malakhov to New Jersey for Sheldon Souray, Josh DeWolf, and a 2nd round pick in 2001.

New Jersey won the cup, but not because of Malakhov who racked up 1 goal and 5 points in 23 playoff games for New Jersey. Malakhov left after the season. The trade also featured Souray who blossomed into a top NHL defenseman for the habs.

2000-2001
Boston traded Ray Bourque and Dave Andreychuk to Colorado for Brian Rolston, Martin Grenier, Sami Pahlsson, and a 1st round pick in 2000 or 2001 Draft.

This trade was done at the 2000 trade deadline, and Colorado kept Bourque and won the Cup in 2001. Bourque was an instrumental part of the Cup winning squad, however Brian Rolston and Sami Pahlson were sent to Boston.

Los Angeles traded Rob Blake and Steve Reinprecht to Colorado for Adam Deadmarsh, Aaron Miller Colorado’s 1st round pick in 2001 and a cond. pick. The Kings could also choose a player off Colorado’s prospects list.

This is a rare case of the buyer winning. The kings ended up with very little to show for Rob Blake, who had many productive seasons in Colorado. (not to mention winning the stanely cup that year).

2001-2002
Detroit Red Wings — Acquired defenseman Jiri Slegr from the Atlanta Thrashers for center Yuri Butsayev and a 2002 third-round draft pick.

The Detroit Red Winds did little tinkering en Route to a Stanely cup.

2002-2003
Atlanta traded Richard Smehlik and a conditional pick in 2004 to New Jersey for a 4th round pick in 2003.

Columbus trades Grant Marshall to New Jersey for a conditional pick in 2004

More tweaking as New Jersey wins its second cup in four years.

2003-2004
Columbus traded Darryl Sydor and a 4th round pick in 2004 (Mike Lundin) to Tampa Bay for Alexander Svitov and a 3rd round pick in 2004.

Tampa is lucky svitov never turned out as this could have been a disastrous trade.

Nashville traded Stan Neckar to Tampa Bay for a 6th round pick in 2004 (Kevin Schaeffer).

Sydor and Neckar were insignificant parts of Tampa’s Stanely cup win.

2004-2005

January 30: To Carolina Hurricanes :Doug Weight and Erkki Rajamaki
To St. Louis Blues : Jesse Boulerice, Mike ZigomanisMagnus Kahnberg1st round pick in 2006, Toronto’s 4th round pick in 2006 (Reto Berra), Chicago’s 4th round pick in 2007 (Cade Fairchild)

March 9, 2006 : To Carolina Hurricanes : Mark Recchi
To
Pittsburgh Penguins : Niklas Nordgren, Krystofer Kolanos and a 2nd round pick in 2007

The Canes made some elaborate trades that helped them win the cup. Having said that, they gave up a lot of picks and players (most of whom we’ll have to wait and see if they pan out).

2006-2007
To Tampa Bay Lightning : Shane O’Brien and a 3rd round pick in 2007 (Luca *****i)
To Anaheim Ducks : Gerald Coleman and a 1st round pick in 2007

The ducks were actually bigger sellers than buyers en route to a stanley cup win.

BIG NAMES SOLD:

Phoenix traded Keith Tkachuk to St. Louis for Michal Handzus, Ladislav Nagy, the rights to Jeff Taffe, and a 1st round pick in 2001 or 2002.

Nagy Later blossomed into a very good player with Phoenix. St. Louis never won the Stanely Cup.

San Jose traded Owen Nolan to Toronto for Alyn McCauley, Brad Boyes, and a 1st round pick in 2003.

Nolan was decent in Toronto, but the Team never won the cup, and Brad Boyes was sent to blossom on another team (not to mention Mark Stuart who was selected with the draft pick.

Buffalo traded Chris Gratton and a 4th round pick in 2004 to Phoenix for Daniel Briere and a 3rd round pick in 2004.

Imagine what kind of shape Phoenix would be in if they’d developed Briere.

Washington traded Robert Lang to Detroit for Tomas Fleischmann, a 1st round pick in 2004 (Mike Green) and a 4th round pick in 2006 (Luke Lynes).

Washington is set for years, and Lang never won a cup in a Red Wings uniform.

To Atlanta Thrashers : Keith Tkachuk
To St. Louis Blues: Glen Metropolit,a 1st round pick in 2007, a 3rd round pick in 2007 (
Brett Sonne), a 2nd round pick in 2008 and a conditional 1st round pick in 2008

Atlanta was eleminated in the first round and hasn’t made the playoffs since. That 2007 1st round pick turned out to be Micheal Backlund, who just happens to be tearing it up in the WJC.

BIG FLOPS:

Rangers Acquired right wing Pavel Bure from the Florida Panthers for defensemen Filip Novak and Igor Ulanov, first-round and fourth-round picks in the 2002 draft and a switch of 2003 second-round picks.

Bure played fewer than 60 games with New York, none of them in the playoffs. However, the assortment of goodies sent to Florida didn’t work out that well either.

Philadelphia Flyers — Acquired center Adam Oates from the Washington Capitals for goaltender Maxime Ouellet and first- , second- and third-round picks in the 2003 draft.

Oates had 2 assits in 5 playoff games, as Philly was eliminated in the first round. The picks and prospects never blossomed.

While historicly, some buyers have had sucess pulling off the big trade, most are better off doing some monor tweaking. As for the sellers, while picks and prospects are a risk, it is one that can clearly have great returns.


46 Responses to Buyer beware

  1. Plekanec says:

     Montreal traded G.Rivet for Josh Georges and a 2nd rounder(Max Pacioretty).

  2. TradeMaster66 says:

    Get your facts right boi. Montreal did trade Craig Rivet to SJ for Georges and a 1st rounder.

    Also San Jose didnt win the cup that year

  3. Plekanec says:

     nobody knows who's a buyer and a seller just yet? As an Habs fan i think that if Gainey doesn't go and get a guy like Boowmeester,Kaberle or any other top 4 defenseman , the Habs don't have a chance to win the cup, so should the Habs be Sellers at the deadline? And don't tell me that they are contenders anyway not yet, not unless Gainey goes and get another top 4 defenseman as he(Gainey) said himself!

     So lets say it's march and Gainey have been trying to land a D-Man and nothing's working and the Habs are rank 5th or 6th in the East THEN why not unload some of our UFAs instead of losing them for NOTHING, (Souray, Streit) just imagine what some of these guys could get us in a trade at the deadline Lang, Tangay, Kovalev, Koivu, Bouillon, Begin, Kostopoulos, Brisebois and even some RFAs(Plek, Higgins, Latends) and other players could be traded(Halak) , the only safe players on the team right now are Price, Markov, Hamrlik, Komisarek, the Kostitsyns and Pacioretty. any other player(S0 on the team could be involve in a trade right now and I wouldn't care if it met making our team better!

     I'm not saying ALL those guys will be traded but it would be nice to get something back in return of some of those UFAs at least a couple 1st rounder! As we all know the Habs are good at Drafting(Price, Pacior, Kostits ect ect…) but terrible when trading( Ribiero, Grabovski, Huet)! So either way I hope Gainey makes some moves before the deadline, Start extending existing contracts or start getting rid of them!

     

  4. KingCanada says:

    Obviously the buyers usually loose.  But its only fair considering the rebuilding teams NEED those picks in order to become a respective team.  It is all quite simple.  One contender buys a player, the other contenders need to respond so they trade as well.  As more teams trade the ones who havent become more and more desperate and then usually have to give up more then you would think is fair.

    Teams do this because the window of opportunity in todays cap era is so small that GMs dont have a problem in sacrificing the future for the "now".

  5. Plekanec says:

     I met a 1st rounder, huuuuu my finger must of slipped master! please forgive me?

  6. KingCanada says:

    When a team is going to qualify for the playoffs they RARELY trade AWAY their veterans.  They definatly keep them.  There was one exception tho when Gainey traded away Huet but that was only because Price was ready.

    It might make sense to you to get a couple of extra picks if you dont believe the team is a contender but it makes no sense to the players and for team chemistry.  These athletes have been training their whole life and are geared to win at all costs.  What does it tell to your team when you trade away players while in a playoff spot?  It tells them that you dont believe in them and it definatly kills team chemistry.  All im saying is dont count on your team selling at all.  They will buy like you said a puck moving defenceman.

  7. TheHAB_89 says:

    Gorges is playing solid minutes for the canadiens at a low salary

  8. TheHAB_89 says:

    first of all the habs need to keep most of the UFAs u named and grabovski wasnt a bad trade as they had no room for him in our roster

  9. FlamingHomer says:

    "Atlanta was eleminated in the first round and hasn't made the playoffs since. That 2007 1st round pick turned out to be Micheal Backlund, who just happens to be tearing it up in the WJC."

    Almost certain that Backlund went to Calgary.

  10. Kramer says:

    All trades need to be cleared by the mob.  All so called buyers are hand-picked by "The Boss".  Underground gambling is what dictates who gets moved and where and for how much.

    Why do you think Sundin wasn't traded?  The big cheese didn't give the ok sign.

  11. BLUE_AND_WHITE says:

    yes, calgary later aquired that pick

  12. Kramer says:

    I'm gonna go away on a cruise cuz my friend got 2 tickets at half price through air miles.  I'm gonna have fun.

    I'll be back in 3 weeks with more expert analysis.

  13. FunkDT says:

    Also, this is the habs centenial year. If they’re in the playoffs, expect them to be big time buyers and to go for it.

  14. wingerxxx says:

    The Devils-Malakhov trade wasn't as bad as alot of others.  The Devils defense was so deep, that they really didn't need him.  He was basically being played in the role of a 5-6 defenseman throughout that particular playoff run.  At that time, Malakhov was still a pretty decent defenseman.  He always had Norris winning caliber tools, but never had the fire to go along with it (until the end of his career when he was actually getting into fights).  Souray took a while to really blossom.  And I'm not convinced that Souray would have blossomed in Jersey, given that their defense was still the Scott Stevens-Scott Niedermayer show back then.

    Although the St. Louis trade for Tkachuk was at least somewhat understandable, the Atlanta trade for Tkachuk should have gotten Don Waddell fired.  Although he's always been a great regular season player, Tkachuk had never scored a meaningful playoff goal, and was certainly not worth what the Thrashers gave up for him.  Oh, and Tkachuk went back to St. Louis anyway.  To his credit, for a power forward, Tkachuk has done a great job of adapting to the faster NHL and has added a lot of versatility to his game.

    The Rangers trade for Bure is not one that can be bashed too much.  Aside from the first round pick, the Rangers gave up a bunch of nothing to get him.  The Rangers also badly needed some scoring punch on the wing at the time.  When Pavel Bure is available, you get him.  At the time, many believe Sather fleeced the Panthers in this trade, and I still believe that.  When he was healthy, Bure played great hockey for the Rangers.  His knees just couldn't last.  If the Rangers had given up a great player in this trade, sure it would be a flop.  But when guys like Igor Ulanov are going the other way, it's not much risk. 

    The Philly Adam Oates trade was horrible then, and looking back, its just as bad now.

    When the Rob Blake trade was made, I thought that the Avs gave up way too much for him.  Even if at the time, he was one of the top defensemen in the NHL.  But, they won the cup that year.  Plus, Deadmarsh was just about finished.  Aaron Miller was a nice defenseman for the Kings, but considering that Blake played some very solid hockey for Colorado, this was a good trade for the Avs.  In the second half of his last season in Colorado, Blake was outstanding. 

    Interesting to look back on these deals in hindsight.  When you are making deadline trades, you are doing it with the purpose of winning the Cup.  Only one team wins it every year, so the "success rate" is obviously going to be very small.  Of all these trades, the only one on there that I think clearly benefited both teams was the Malakhov-Souray trade, and even that one is debatable since the Devils really didn't need Malakhov to win it that year. 

  15. shifterdarkwolf says:

    You talked about Atlanta making a bad trade for Tkachuk, but you missed the worst deal they made that deadline, sending Braydon Coburn to Philly for Zhitnik. Way to fail Atlanta, way to fail….

  16. number32 says:

    I think Toronto was one of the biggest losers in that list. As for the speculation about Montreal… I think if they don't buy they might as well sell. Without buying (I agree, Kaberle or Bouwmeester) they won't get far in the postseason. Do they have to sell? I don't think they should be written off and have a yard sale just yet but minor sacrifices for a puck-moving defensman would be advisable. As for giving up too many picks or prospects, they shouldn't. If they do… the prospect well will run dry and you'll be looking at the next Ottawa Sens… a blowup candidate in denial.

  17. mojo19 says:

    I only read the first trade but I have to say you’re reaching. Malakhov was solid for New Jersey. They won the cup and they needed to add that extra d-man to solidify the back end.

  18. mojo19 says:

    Yikes I kept reading, that 2nd deal looked like a solid trade for both teams! (Boston – Colorado). Why is the title of your article "buyer beware" and not: "Trades at the deadline can often work out great!"

  19. mojo19 says:

    Holy i read the next one I better just keep reading. Seems like the buyer keeps winning the cup! The Kings-Avs trade was also a good deal for both sides although Deadmarsh retired due to concussions, this deal would have been even more fair.

    Oh okay i read a little more, i think the mistake you made was keep showing moves made by teams who went on to win the cup. I think if they won the cup who cares if they gave up a guy who turned into something, its all about winning the cup anyways. I'd give up Luke Schenn right now if it guaranteed a Leafs Cup this year. If you know what I mean

  20. Plekanec says:

     What if they Can't make a trade , what if injuries persisted, Do you think that the Habs would make it far in the playoffs with the defense they have now? So 'IF" Montreal CAN'T get their hands on an IMPACT defenseman "I" think they should become sellers!

  21. Plekanec says:

     Luke Schenn? I would give up Mc Donagh, Subban, Fisher,Weber, Thorp

  22. the_word says:

    Its a little narrow of a scope to suggest that teams are simply gearing up for their Stanley Cup run at the deadline. One simply needs to take note of the sheer volume of trades at the deadline, usually every team makes at least one move. Certainly GMs are well aware that the odds are against them winning the cup despite the deadline moves and their place in the standings. Winning the cup and rebuilding isn't what make the deadline compelling. Its is rather, the deals themselves. Check the banner of this site, it isn't Stanley Cup Rumors, in fact the yearly 'Congratulations insert champion name here' makes for a rather discussion. Evaluating winner, losers and the subsquent bittering is the substance of hockey fan geekdom. The deadline (and draft day) produces more interest than any other day, so I'll forgive say for example, the Leafs for getting Leetch, as it produced perhaps the most memorible moment for them despite not winning the cup that year. They at least gave the illusion that may be in the hunt.

  23. drofnats says:

    There's always going to be one winner and 15 losers in the playoffs. But teams have limited windows where they are cup contenders, so sometimes they have to sacrifice their future to get rentals while their star players are still in their prime or under contract.

    I think the Senators wished they bet the farm 3 years ago and won the cup, but then they lost Chara to free agency, and it's been all downhill since.  Really, how much worse can they be without those prospects and picks?  Instead of being 27th in the league, they'd be 30th?

  24. BLUE_AND_WHITE says:

    "Throughout your article you talk about how players like Malakhov, Darryl Sydor, Stan Neckar did little to help win the cup. You down play minor moves such as bringing in Jiri Slegr, or Grant Marshall. All of these guys became cup champs and although none of them won the Conn Smythe they are all pieces of the puzzle, you need guys like this too."

    oh I agree, and thats my very argument. historicly the big buyers don't win it, and the "tweakers" go on to win it, as they keep team chemistry and get the role players.

    "Lang was leading the NHL in scoring when he came to Detroit. They didn't know it wasn't going to work out, but I bet they'd do it all over again. "

    thats what i'm saying. It rarely works out. Ryan smyth? Tkatchuk in atlanta? the ones that worked out were guys like tarnstrom and Roloson, not Forsberg.

    "If everyone were as conservative as you'd like them to be there would be no trades in the NHL."

    Then why do the consistently best teams (detroit, new jersey) make fewer trades then the others? you're right, the conservative style only works if 29 other GM's are wild, which happens to be true right now (see 25 trades a deadline).

    "The last thing you need to consider is that NHL GM's realize this cycle comes full circle. So even though you're giving up a bunch of prospects as a contender, that's just the way it works, and one day you'll be rebuilding and you'll be getting prospects right back for your vets. It all evens out, the biggest gamble is on unproven prospects."

    Thats not how it works for detroit and new jersey. It's not how is MUST be. (granted its also not how it works for florida, but thats another article).

  25. BLUE_AND_WHITE says:

    my argument was:

    the trades at the top leading to cups, were mostly minor tweaks.

    the trades at the bottom, leading to no cups, were big trades.

    thus, tweak the team, dont give up your future for a guy who will 9 times out of 10 screw your team chemistry.

  26. mojo19 says:

    haha, some people on here are nerds, not us though, come on.

  27. nordiques100 says:

    Well for the Leafs sake i hope that this buyer beware stuff waits another year and after the Leafs trade half their roster by March 4th.

    I so hope teams will overpay the Leafs for that quick fix. while patience and restraint are constantly preached, at the end of the day it just doesnt happen at the deadline. Desperate teams be it for some playoff success, or just getting to the playoffs themselves sometimes lead to some foolishness that could benefit sellers like Toronto.

    I hope Toronto can get 1sts for Antropov and Toskala. I hope Kaberle and Kubina waive their NTCs and the Leafs can get good young assets in return, especially for Kaberle.

    I hope teams get desperate and willingly take on Blake, Finger, Stempniak.

    And i sure hope that teams simply overpay for players like Stajan, Pony, Van Ryn who tend to be talked up quite a bit playing in Toronto and overvalued.

    It may prove difficult with such parity across the board but if the demands outweigh the supply of sellers, teams like the Leafs who could sell off their assets could win big down the road. Hopefully 2 wins out of their last 3 home games and being higher in the standings than Ottawa doesnt take the wind out of what the Leafs need to desperately accomplish this deadline.

  28. leafy says:

    B&W is right, no doubt about it.  The buyers usually lose.

    The list of trades in the article is abbreviated, not a full list.  If one were to do a complete list of deadline trades, say, in the past 15 years, you would easily see that teams that make major acquisitions at the deadline usually have limited success in the playoffs.

    WHY?  Because the laws of mathematics say so.  Only one buyer out of many can win the cup!

  29. mojo19 says:

    But those Detroit and New Jersey teams who made those minor tweaks were already amazing, so basically what you're saying is "Can't win, don't try, unless you've been a top team all year long".

    Which is probably true, but I still respect a GM who's got the balls to go for it. Besides a lot of the time prospects turn into stars, but a lot of the time they don't. Think of when Colorado picked up Theo from the Flames for Rene Corbet, everyone was SOOO big on Corbet but he never became a star or even had a long career. So Colorado won the deal even if they didn't win the cup, they got an exciting player for their cup run for a gamble prospect.

    Think about the Iginla for Nieuwendyk trade, classic example of a big trade that worked out for everyone. Calgary wasn't even close so they had to give up a star player in Nieuwy. Dallas gave up a potential future franchise player in Iggy but they won the Cup and Nieuwy was the Conn Smythe winner. Now Calgary has been happy with Iggy as their star for years and for years to come.

    I think that example is the reason why teams that are close go for the big name and the big players, the Nieuwendyk calibre guys, or this year Bouwmeester or Gaborik (if he gets healthy) or Kaberle etc.

    But you are right, since only 1 team wins the cup every year of course there will be more examples of trades that didn't lead to a cup compaired to trades that did. Still you have to go for it.

  30. mojo19 says:

    Exactly, only 1 team can win it. So if you're a 4th place team should you then say "oh well Detroit or San Jose will win it this year let's not trade for any big name players this season is a write off". NO! You go for it.

    What if you are a veteran team that is fairly close, but you have a couple vets who may retire, if you don't go for it this year it could be years before you are close again! So you deal a top prospect and a 1st for a star player to try to get you closer. That does make sense. Chances are it won't work out but at least you tried.

    I think the percentage of 4th and 5th place teams that make the cup finals who stand pat at the deadline is probably close to 0%

  31. wheresthesoda says:
    historically big buyers dont win it but they have. 94 Rangers were big buyers
  32. nordiques100 says:

    And for some its not about the cup.

    That Tkachuk to Atlanta trade was just about getting into the playoffs and maybe stealing a round to get a few playoff games. That will be a few team's big motivators like Phoenix, Columbus who need some playoff gates.

    Then there are teams with high expectations who will do something just for the sake of doing something and maybe getting lucky. The Pens, who are struggling badly are probably not going to sit back and just say oh well, its not our year. They were expected to take the next step, they're going to probably do something drastic because of that.

    or someone like Montreal who in their big anniversary year, are probably going to go for it big to make it even sweeter.

    Like I said above, hopefully a team like Toronto can take advantage of a team's desperate need to win/make the playoffs.

  33. leafy says:

    That's absolutely right too.  I think it all comes down to striking a balance.

    You don't want to mortgage your entire future just for 1 playoff run.  On the other hand, you don't want to sit on your hands either, otherwise you're losing ground against other opponents who make a move.

    One more important point: I'm all for making bigger moves if you've got a team playing well. examples: Boston, Washington, Chicago, Calgary, Philly, Jersey, etc.

    But what if you're a team who's playing mediocre like the Rangers, Phoenix, Columbus, Edmonton, Carolina, Buffalo, even Pittsburgh, would you trade promising futures for a quick fix?  I say absolutely not.

  34. DandoEagle says:

    It makes sense for the Habs to still do something any how they could.

    Some possibles

    Colorado gets Latendresse, O Byrne and Halak

    Montreal gets Wolski, Leopold and Lapierrere. 

    The Avs get an amazing goaler and some younger defenders like Obyne and a big power player they havent had since Claude Lemiuex in Latendresse. They need younger stronger players and a goaler.

    The Habs get a good winger in Wolski who will left their port side. Lapierrerre is a good 4th line grinder and Leopold helps their defence with a guy on defence who can defend for over 20 minutes. 

    Florida Gets Higgins, Kostisin, Carle and Kristo

    Montreal gets Horton, Bowmeester, 1st rounder

    Cause Montreal is getting a rental, the Panters have to give up a 1st to make sure the Habs have something to show for the big move. Horton will be around, but the Panters would be getting 4 amazing assets.
     
    Kristo lite it up as one of the more better americans at the juniors. Carle is an amazing defender prospect who gives them offence. Sergi Kostystin is an amazing forward who gives them the goals they need and Higgins is also a top forward who can help them the next decade.  

  35. leafy says:

    The Leafs have often made the mistake of making big moves as buyers, even with a mediocre team which sometimes was reeling.

    Anybody remember 1996?  The Leafs were in free fall after the all-star break.  Clearly the team was old and not good enough.

    And what did Fletcher do?  He trades Kenny Johnson and their 1st pick in '97 (Roberto Luongo) for Wendel Clark (who was clearly no longer the same player) and Matthiew Schneider.

    A band-aid solution if there ever was one.  If the Leafs were playing great hockey, that's one thing, but they clearly sucked that season.  That trade was not going to suddenly make the Leafs into a juggernaut.

    The result: A quick first round elimination against St. Louis, which probably should have been a 4-game sweep.

  36. mojo19 says:

    You are right Nords. That Tkachuck trade is a good example of a team in a non hockey market who was desperately trying to at least make some noise around their team. The cup was another story altogether.

  37. mojo19 says:

    Cup Winners who went big

    94 Rangers
    97 Red Wings traded the young future star Keith Primeau in a package for Shanahan
    99 Stars dealt top prospect Iginla (actually their highest ranked prospect was Todd Harvey, go figure) for Nieuwendyk

    and then there's Ray Bourque, even though that trade worked out a year later.

    Still I think there's enough examples to motivate a GM who has a good team to make a big splash. Another thing to consider is this: If you are the Chicago Black Hawks, with so much young talent and such a good young team, they can afford to give up top prospects and first round picks for veteran help now because they'll still be competitive for years to come with the core group they have.

  38. assman says:

    habs take it up the butts. horton, j-bo, first pick just for that? habs gotta trade the whole team for that. habs suck big time. they blow hard. not gonna get those players. b/c they suck good

  39. nordiques100 says:

    actually that was really stavro wanting clark back and fletcher just following orders from what i remember. what was stupid was the same day fletch trading andreychuk for nothing as he says to cut costs. these were not good hockey moves.

    a stronger example is probably the brendan bell and a 2nd for yanic perreault. the leafs were going nowhere yet did this for what reason again? maurice used perreault as his 4th line centre. nice.

  40. nordiques100 says:

    you think the jackets might do the same thing? i think they just might. their fan base is fading a bit and as the only team to not play a playoff game, time is running out. i dont think they'll move their top prospects like voracek, filatov, mason, but definitely their 1st is ripe for the pickings.

    they and the yotes pretty much have to make it from what i can see.

  41. leafy says:

    Exactly, Stavro stuck his nose on that move, and then later when he vetoed an attempt to get Gretzky as a UFA.

    Also bang on with Andreychuk, who was moved to New Jersey as a cost cutting measure.

    That trade made the Clark trade even more dumb, because the Leafs arguably were not any better after adding Clark, ie, losing Andreychuk wiped out any gains from adding Clark.

    How did we remain Leaf fans after trades like that?

  42. nordiques100 says:

    we're sadists lol

  43. mojo19 says:

    Ya but because of the Coyotes financial situation any move they make will have to go through the league first. So they won't be picking up any salary. They're already on financial aide.

    But Jackets for sure we could grab a 1st rounder there and maybe a good prospect.

  44. mojo19 says:

    exactly my point. You'd do anything if it guaranteed a cup, which is why so many GM's are still smart to take gambles with prospects for help now.

  45. mojo19 says:

    that's weird a whole thread disapeared from here. With lots of good comments, I wanted to see what B&W had to say???

  46. mojo19 says:

    This only works for the best teams. Sometimes it pays off to go big at the deadline, if you're not the favourite. Rarely, but sometimes, and for that reason you're still going to see lots of deadline deals made.

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