Could Pronger Be Dealt By Deadline.

Over the past few weeks, a few names more then others have been mentioned in trades. We have all heard the Gonchar, or Wesley, Boughner even Smith and Brewer. But one name has recently come up and even if just a rumour would be the biggest name around. Chris Pronger. The St.Louis Blues have recently been in a huge funk. Slowly but surely they have started dropping down in the standings. Currently they are in 7th in the west with only two points out of a playoff spot.

One of the main reasons has been the huge losses that the Blues have had on the defensive end. With Macinnis possibly gone for life, and with Jackman also out, the Blues once power house defensive core has one pillar left. Pronger.

Pronger who can log major minutes can’t do it alone, and with the weak goaltending as of late st. Louis’ playoff hopes seem to be slipping.

Some people say Quennville may get the boot. But others are starting to look at the fact that Pronger is not happy. St Louis is also concerned over Prongers contract with the fear that they may no longer be able to afford him.

The payment is the biggest point in the potential dealing of Pronger. Ownership does not think they can afford the guy next year since St.Louis has been one of the teams losing money big time.

Now before everyone starts offering what players they would give and who can get him, lets look at what St Louis may need.

With the loss of Macinnis and the potential loss of Pronger via trade the goal will probably to get another defenseman in return. With the loss of Macinnis, and the with the steady type play of Jackman when he returns, the traded defenseman may need to be a mobile offensive type defenseman.

I think the trade would also have to involve a decent NHL ready defenceman that can play now, a 5th or 6th type of guy. Lastly a pick, prospect or an average young forward.

Many of you will post that it would take more than that to get Pronger. But what St Louis needs are players who can play now, and players that are cheap.

Also there are only a handful of teams that would be able to pick up his salary next year if there was a lockout.

And so here are my two cents. Read and just think about it.

The leafs have been looking, like all other teams, for that stud defenseman. No one matches that description better then Pronger. (Blake as well) The leafs are one of the few teams that could afford Pronger even if there is a lockout year due to the fact that half of the team is done after this year.

The leafs have a young and mobile defenseman to offer in Kaberle and coud offer a serviceable defenseman in Berg. (just keep reading)

Who knows what the Blues need more on their farm team as prospects better then John Ferguson Jr who was their scout and I believe assistant GM? Also most newly hired Gm’s when looking for trades often go to their old teams. Especially someone like Ferguson who left on good terms.

Pronger has stated personally that he would love the chance to play for the leafs being from Ontario himself I believe. (I know everyonewill balk at this one but let it ride)

I repeat I am not saying this will happen, however if what St Louis needs are inexpensive defensive bodies and prospects then Ferguson could give them exactly what they need.

Please don’t bash, but instead explain why this does not make sense.


47 Responses to Could Pronger Be Dealt By Deadline.

  1. Nothingman says:

    1. It sounds like you were looking for an excuse to say Pronger to the Leafs. I don’t know you, but before you mentioned the word Leafs, I could tell you were a Leafs fan because the formulas you divised of exactly what STL needs and TOR has to offer matched up. That’s sad.

    2. Beacuse St Louis would miss the playoffs, give up their impressive playoff record and their marquee player if they sold out on Pronger now, hell if Calgary could still afford Iginla, I think St Louis can still afford Pronger.

    3. Of course we’re all gonna balk at the “I want to play for the Maple Leafs” suggestions. Beckham and Mike Tyson probably wanna play for the Maple Leafs too, every bloody other person does according to you Leaf fans.

    4. And most logically of all, when you’re missing your second and third dman, you don’t go out and trade your first dman. No one is that stupid. The Blues have much more dead weight (no pun intended) that they would trade away before Pronger. By trading someone like Weight they would free up salary and keep their best face and main player in Pronger.

    He’s having a Norris season, and he’s unhappy and wants to play for the Leafs…good one.

    Ross Byrnes (Nothingman)

    Vice Admin of Wowhockey

  2. Dober says:

    First off, I don’t think it’s gonna happen with St.louis still in playoff contention. With all of their other good d-men injured, Pronger is the only one there, as u stated.

    If he was to get traded, i think colorado would probably be the front runner, although u had a good point about J.F.Jr leaving St.louis on good terms and knowing what St.louis needs.

    If the leafs could trade for him, i would trade Kabby, Kyle Wellwood ( even though i think he will be good ) and a 3rd or 4th round pick. I would NOT include Stajan in any deal.

    Anyway i think that would solve the leafs defence problem, well maybe not all. Get Wesley back for the playoffs and get rid of Berg. Then there set.

  3. jacosta says:

    True I wrote this with the intention of saying the leafs should go for Pronger, butIf I posted it that way it never would have flown.

    I posted it like this so that people could see that there may be some logic to it. That it isn’t just a leaf fan talking trash.

    I think that with having only pronger, you rdefense is good but not great. One guy no matter how many minutes can change your defense. Having two steady Dmen is often better.

    Also isn’t Pronger a UFA after this year, making him probably a little more attainable since St Louis may lose him anyway to free agency. Therefore A player and a Pick could be all that is needed. Remember he is a UFA potentially making some good coin despite a new CBA

    jacosta

  4. terry says:

    first of all, this is a legit trade rumor. second of all, most of the nhl players are from ontario so why wouldnt they want to play for their home team at the end of their career on a team WHICH HAPPENS TO BE A CUP CONTENDER?! what do the following players all have in common: niewy, lindros, gretzky, blake??? third of all, you are the typical anti leaf fan who bashes every leaf trade with no real argument. st louis has a payroll twice the size of calgary btw.

    LA traded Blake away when they had a depleted roster for Deadmarsh and Miller. Miller eventually became the teams most argubaly best dman. Perfect case of thinking about the future while still being competitive in the present. St Louis will have a tough time paying pronger his $10 million per year while keeping demitra, tkachuk, weight so why not add an antropov and kaberle on your roster and make a playoff push?

  5. bruinexpert says:

    the flames don’t have the contracts of Demitra, Tkachuk and weight on top of Iginla..that’s the big problem I think…they’re going to lose a lot of money if they don’t make the playoffs and if at the trade deadline it’s looking like they won’t make it then maybe they have to consider trading off a guy or two to save them some money…and as somoeone else was saying on here…pronger I guess is a UFA at the end of this season so if they don’t intend on giving him the big bucks next year then why not trade him.

  6. SmartLEAFfan says:

    Earlier this week I made a statement that the leafs need a D-man like Pronger and mostly I got ridiculed for it.I even went as far as to say that IF it were to ever happen it would take the package that was rumoured to go to WSH(wellwood,hedin,antro,kabby) plus a high pick(1st or 2nd) and most thought that I was out to lunch. I should have gone into detail but everyone can read this post and realize the basis for my thought.Everyone can go and check for themselves. Now there is an article posted. All I have to really say is that it is unlikely to happen, IF Gretzky can be traded, anyone can

    GO LEAFS!!!!!!!

  7. MaSTiK says:

    I’m not in any way talking about anything else in this article except one thing, the fact that a fair amount of players have expressed an interest in playing for toronto. This is true to some extent, and its for one reason, alot of these players are born in the Greater Toronto Area, so playing for the leafs is basically livingout a dream theat many kids have growing up in this area. For Example. Gary Roberts – North York Ontario. Joe Nieuwendyk – Oshawa Ontario. CHRIS PRONGER – Dryden Ontario. Just because half of all NHL fans hate toronto to death, that doen’t mean that the players who grew up here do too. Nuff Said

  8. MaSTiK says:

    I’m not in any way talking about anything else in this article except one thing, the fact that a fair amount of players have expressed an interest in playing for toronto. This is true to some extent, and its for one reason, alot of these players are born in the Greater Toronto Area, so playing for the leafs is basically livingout a dream theat many kids have growing up in this area. For Example. Gary Roberts – North York Ontario. Joe Nieuwendyk – Oshawa Ontario. CHRIS PRONGER – Dryden Ontario. Just because half of all NHL fans hate toronto to death, that doen’t mean that the players who grew up here do too. Nuff Said

  9. MaSTiK says:

    I’m not in any way talking about anything else in this article except one thing, the fact that a fair amount of players have expressed an interest in playing for toronto. This is true to some extent, and its for one reason, alot of these players are born in the Greater Toronto Area, so playing for the leafs is basically livingout a dream theat many kids have growing up in this area. For Example. Gary Roberts – North York Ontario. Joe Nieuwendyk – Oshawa Ontario. CHRIS PRONGER – Dryden Ontario. Just because half of all NHL fans hate toronto to death, that doen’t mean that the players who grew up here do too. Nuff Said

  10. SmartLEAFfan says:

    Jacosta: Did U get the idea for this post from the discussion earlier this week???? Anyways U summed up my reasioning for making the Pronger statment with your article.

    Thanks

  11. Habfanforever says:

    logically, wouldn’t it be easier for St-Louis to just trade for another d-man to second Pronger?

    Why not Pronger to MTL then? (I want you leaf fans to see how stupid you sound)

    you trade Kaberle and Berg well we can trade Markov and Rivet so it all evens out doesn’t it?

  12. sean71 says:

    as a rational leafs fan, i think this is a pipe dream, but i think you bring up some very valid points on how it could (5%?) happen.

    first, pronger’s contract is HUGE. Yet, one could say he is being paid what he’s worth. Hes almost a point a game this year and the guy hasnt gotten any smaller, thats for sure. Dumping other contracts (Weight, maybe Tkachuk) would probably be their first choice, but Pronger is by far the blues best commodity, and they will miss the playoffs without him, which, as a hockey fan for a number of years would know, is virtually unthinkable from a St. Louis management perspective.

    IF, and I mean IF, this deal happens, i think your right that alot would have to do with JFJ’s previous relationship with the Blues. To me, its this point that makes me say ‘maybe…..maybe’ An established relationship, mutual respect, Western conference/Eastern Conference, no sniping blah blah. T.O would be hard pressed to find a stud d in the East that wouldn’t loathe handing over a star to the blue-and-white.

    IF Pronger is moved, you can bet JFJ is standing in line holding his draft picks and whatever else St Louis wants. Even as a salary dump, this would still cost the leafs dearly, in darft picks, solid prospects (Carlo, paging Carlo) and at least one or two young but established Nhlers. Even so, IF this ever were possible, he would solidify them as contenders.

    And i can dream of that, cant I?

    I truly believe JFJ is looking for that final link. I just hope hes not waiting for the right dance partner, and instead stays the wallflower. Like Darryl Sydor wouldnt be an upgrade?!

    My belief: JFJ should be actively pursuing Eric Brewer. The Leafs would probably have to give up at least the same playerwise, but wont get stuck with a (what is it?)?13 milion ?dollar contract.

  13. nocuphere says:

    Not really as there is no guarantee your boys will make the playoffs. Tight race for the 7 and 8 spot.

  14. nocuphere says:

    Thats right. Ferguson will probably look to the west for help. This seems like another year when everyone is talking about this guy going to T.O and that guy, but at the end of the day they end up with someone noone has mentioned, and the guys that were mentioned end up somewhere else.

    A guy like Keith Carney, Paul Mara, or a Eric Brewer would be a great addition.

  15. nocuphere says:

    Or Steve Staios.

  16. Dober says:

    hahaha habsfan, very good point by nocuphere!

  17. bleedingblu says:

    Not really! The Leafs are fighting to maintain first place and Montreal is fighting to make the playoffs… again. Then we could also talk about who has a bigger bank account. Money talks.

    Don’t get me wrong Montreal could definitely use some size but they haven’t made any indications of making any major moves.

  18. opcTML says:

    well it was reported last night on sportsnet by nick kypreos that pronger would very much like to play for toronto.

  19. bleedingblu says:

    Not really! The Leafs are fighting to maintain first place and Montreal is fighting to make the playoffs… again. Then we could also talk about who has a bigger bank account. Money talks.

    Don’t get me wrong Montreal could definitely use some size but they haven’t made any indications of making any major moves.

  20. gr8haluschak says:

    Wow that is funny, when did Pronger’s name come up in a trade ? a few days ago when some stupid leaf fan said that the Leafs should get him. Is he going to Toronto because it is his boyhood dream, and IF there is any remote truth to this rumor it will take a hell of a lot more that Coliaco-whatever his name is, one of the Leafs crappy D men, and a pick, the LEAST that you would give up is Coliacavo or whatever his name is, and a FEW FIRST ROUND PICKS.

    Finally when did St Louis write off their season ? hmmm the 5th palce Flames are a whopping, yes whopping FOUR points ahead of them, oh no the season is over, they possibly cannot catch them, not is a million years, so we better trade our MVP and the best D man in the league.

  21. SmartLEAFfan says:

    What do u guys thinf of Kaberle and a pick for Brewer?

  22. smooth4488 says:

    Brewer is going nowhere. He still has a huge upside with his development. The Oilers would be willing to trade older players, but this guy will be the cornerstone of their franchise..no doubt about it. To me, it wouldn’t make sense to the Oilers, but a nice thought as a Leaf fan myself.

    I think Denis Gauthier out of Calgary can be had at the right price. He’s not comparable to Brewer, but he’s a tough and rugged d-man who will push the Flyers forwards around like rag dolls. Plus, he’s in Sutter’s doghouse at the moment. Maybe it will be good timing.

    We can’t part with our youth. Why not trade away some picks that aren’t proven yet, roll the dice, and keep our players we know will play in the league for the years to come? We will have a few extra forwards too once everyone is healthy so they maybe we can throw one or two in the deal as well.

    I am thinking Hedin(not too fond of him, but supposedly they are projecting him to be a regular d-man), Brad Leeb(Farm hand), and a 2nd round pick along with one of our veteran forwards. Is this realistic?

  23. The_Conductor says:

    I dont know if you want to get rid of Staios who has been the best d-man for the Oilers this season. Plus they signed him on to contract… I would dump Smith from the Oilers more then Brewer and Staios

  24. The_Conductor says:

    Injuries have plagued the Blues and The Kings this season… and both are barely keeping there heads above water.

  25. SmartLEAFfan says:

    I think that could be a possibility for Gautier. The more I think about it maybe the leafs should inquire about him. He’s 26, hits like a train, not that expensive, and wouldn’t cost an arm and a leg to get.Whats not to like.I dont know about Leeb in the deal.Maybe Holden/Druken????

  26. jacosta says:

    Remember that Pronger is a UFA after this year and you may not have to give up all that you say for him. Hell if he had two or three years to a contract I would never say that he was on the block, but If St Louis will lose him for nothing in June, why not make a deal.

    those are my two cents

    jacosta

  27. trailerparkboys says:

    Maybe he does want to play for the home team ! WITCH HAPPENS TO BE A CUP CONTENDER?! The Ottawa Senitors .Or did you forget that Ontario has another team?

    Bubbles out….

  28. trailerparkboys says:

    The oil maybe sellers ???? But the cardiac kids are not out of it yet , 5 – 1 over the avs not bad! Kevin Lowe loves Brewer ,he said last night that he is young and needs time like every other young d-man (ie. Pronger)

    He is still cheap and likes to play in Edmonton so tell me why would the oil give up on him????? I think that the only player that will be moved is Smith ,If there out maybe Ryan Smyth , But it would take a boat load of a teams future to get him

    Bubbles out……..

  29. Captainspoon says:

    wow, i submitted an article about ten days ago saying how the devils should try to pursue Pronger, and cajnek, I think i said, for gomez, hale and ahonen.

  30. SmartLEAFfan says:

    I resent the fact that you called ME the stupid Leaf fan. I knew that this would cause a ruckus among all hockey fans all along, thats why I wrote it in the first place. Iam glad that so meny people have expressed their opinion in 1 form of another. I also never said that this was even a rumour, just my thoughts. BUT to deny the fact that this doesnt make a little sense, well then U would be the stupid one. Stranger thigs have happened.

  31. GilaMonster says:

    getting berg and antropov is nothing like getting deadmarsh and miller. berg is a defensemen that was picked very high up in the draft by the la kings (i think 3rd overall) he is a bust as far as that goes but a somewhat decent d-man and antropov needs some more time to develop while deadmarsh though injury prone is a guy that has 30 goal potential and with 13 goals in 20 games last year was on pace to hit 40 so hes a helluva lot better than antropov and as far as miller hes not a flashy d-man he doesnt score a lot and he doesnt create a lot of offense but hes fearless,rarely makes mistakes,gives the good hit,and is a general all around good defensive d-man and we know that because everyone wanted him at last years trade deadline. my point is berg and antropov is nothing like getting deadmarsh and miller

  32. HabsNick says:

    I stand by the fact that Pronger won’t move anywhere. The St-Louis Blues *ARE* Chris Pronger! You trade him and you’re suddenly left with no team… unless you trade him for a rebuilding package. Let’s be hypothetical here; there’s only one way that the Leafs could get Pronger through a trade and you people probably wouldn’t like it.

    We’re talking jeopardizing the Leafs for the next few seasons…

    (HYPOTHETICAL MODE)

    To the Leafs:

    D Chris Pronger

    C Doug Weight or LW Keith Tkachuk (there’s no way the Blues will trade Pronger without taking the chance to unload some major unwanted salary, they’re in a major rebuild)

    To the Blues:

    C Nik Antropov

    D Bryan McCabe

    D Carlo Colaicovo

    2005 First round pick

    (/HYPOTHETICAL MODE)

    Not liking that too much heh? but if you want a player the caliber of Pronger, you need to pay for him. You guys are better off waiting for him to be an UFA (which i believe is not this year, i think there’s another year left on his contract, or an option)

  33. greatlife15 says:

    I posted an article about Team Canada, everyone said add nash and bouwmeester instead of stajan and colaiacovo. I DID SAY AT THE END OF THE ARTICLE THAT THIS WAS NOT IN ANY WAY THE TEAM LINEUP! GIVE ME A BREAK!

  34. greatlife15 says:

    THAT DEAL WOULD MAKE ALL THOSE LEAF BASHERS CRINGE!! HAHAHA! AND ANYWAYS THERE’S NO POINT IN BASHING THE LEAFS, WE AREN’T THE HIGHEST-PAYING TEAM IN THE LEAGUE!

  35. greatlife15 says:

    you said they should try and pursue, did you have any support? i don’t think so, therefore they probably didn’t the article was relevant, no insult to u in anyway just saying, know what you’re talking about, can’t just say that this is what i think should happen, should say this might happen due to this, this and this, or this is happening or happened.

  36. terry says:

    i dont think pronger was watching the sens while growing up….toronto is the home team for ontario born players like niewy, lindros, gretzky and blake

  37. terry says:

    i agree with you, but to clarify i didnt say berg and antropov could land pronger. if the leafs want any chance of landing pronger, they better be prepared to offer covo, antropov as well as a first rounder at least.

  38. MaSTiK says:

    hmmm, didn’t he play for them already? hahaha, oh yeah, he ended his career with the them…

  39. mojo19 says:

    montreal probably won’t make the playoffs habsfan. so your point is not valid. the leafs are a contender looking for a top D-man, Montreal is nothing at all like that.

  40. mojo19 says:

    you called Kaberle “one of the leafs crappy d-men.” Leafs fans will wait for your apology.

  41. mojo19 says:

    i would loooooooove if that hypothetical trade happened. you forgot to add the stanley cup on the list of things coming to toronto though.

  42. wheresthesoda says:

    now, u said it yourself, the blues have a ton of injuries on the blueline which makes no sense at all with trading pronger, he is this teams top defensman, even when macinis was in, pronger was still there #1 defeseman.

    if anything they should try and trade scott melanby, for a defensman. and the blues have no intentions of them not making the playoffs.

    in my mind they have enough taent to be a top 3 team in the west. blues have alot of talent, and do have good enough goaltending. they also could trade brent johnson for a top 4 defensman.

    i dont understand why they never traded johnson?

  43. dumpsterdiver says:

    Maybe as you say, St Louis “is” Pronger but remember the Oilers “were” Wayne Gretzky. Nobody expected him to get traded yet it happened. Furthermore the Gretzkyless Oilers still won another cup.

    Never say never!

  44. TC_4 says:

    I believe it if the Blues completly fall out, but only then. Why? Because the Blues could get a MAMMOTH return for Pronger, and it would shed 8 million dollars salary from the payroll. Weight, Pronger, Tkachuck and Demitra will all be on the move…………if the Blues have NO SHOT at the playoffs. I doubt that will happen.

  45. SmartLEAFfan says:

    Hay man, tell me about it. Im the one that mentioned that toronto should get Pronger and look what has happened since Monday.

    P.S I think that Nick Kypreos visits this site, and read my post on Pronger,then mentioned it on sportsnet the other night. It is too coincidental for me..

  46. rojoke says:

    Pronger will be restricted after this season, but could become unrestricted if the Blues don’t make a qualifying offer. He’s only 30.

  47. Captainspoon says:

    i guess so

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