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The Toronto Maple Leafs get laughed at alot for only “honoring” numbers, instead of retiring them. Right now there are only three numbers a Leaf can’t wear. 99, because Gretzky’s number is retired league wide, 6 for Ace Baily, who is the reason the all star game was started, and number five, the number of the legendary Bill Barilko, who’s story is famous around Leaf Nation.For those who don’t know the Ace Baily story, here is what was listed on Wikipedia:

“Irvine “Ace” Bailey (July 3, 1903 – April 1, 1989) was a star ice hockey player for the Toronto Maple Leafs from 1926-1933.

Bailey was one of the top left wingers of his day, but his career came to an abrupt end on December 12, 1933, when he was viciously checked from behind by Eddie Shore of the Boston Bruins, apparently in retailiation for a hit he had received from King Clancy moments earlier. Bailey’s body was hurled across the ice, and it was feared that he would not survive. Bailey did recover, and an All-Star game was held at Maple Leaf Gardens for his benefit on February 12, 1934, the forerunner of the NHL’s modern All-Star Game. Bailey and Shore shook hands and embraced at center ice before the game began. Bailey never played hockey again, but did continue to work for the Maple Leafs as a coach and in the front office until late in life.

In his seven and a half seasons, Bailey totaled 111 goals and 82 assists in 313 games. His #6 jersey is one of only two to have been permanently retired by the Maple Leafs.”

The Leafs have five honored numbers, each has two to a number. Number 1 for Turk Broda and Johnny Bower, number 7 for King Clancy and Tim Horton, number 10, for George Armstrong and Syl Apps (what about Lanny McDonald??) number 9 for Ted Kennedy, and Charlie Conacher, and the most storied Leaf number, 27 for Darryl Sittler and Frank Mahovlich.

Though Dave Keon refuses to get his number 14 honored because of Harold Ballard, and pretty soon you’ll be able to add Gilmours 93, Clarks 17, and n the future, possibley Belfours 20 and Sundins 13.

Not retiring numbers does seem odd, but look at the Boston Bruins, Brian Leetch is a shoe in for the hall of fame, but can’t wear his number 2, because they retired it for Eddie Shore. Ray Bourque had to go from 7 to 77 when they decided to retire Phil Esposito’s number. Right now, if you are a Bruin, and wearing a single digit, it’s number six.

Now imagine this, say Steve Yzerman retires, and they instantly retire his number, then Joe Sakic is traded to the Detroit Red Wings, why not let Sakic wear his number?

There are plenty of other ways to honor players. Honor their number like the Leafs do, put them in the hall of fame, any thing, but why not let these guys wear their numbers???

Leafy’s next article? – (a preview of my next article is in all my articles from now on.) The hall of fame is filled with legends, in the next year of voting, should Steve Larmer, Doug Gilmour, Patrick Roy, Glenn Anderson, Phil Housley, Bernie Nichols, Paul Henderson, and Wendel Clark get in??? Which ones do I think deserve in, and who has a shot.

143 Responses to Does not

  1. dcz28 says:

    I’ll never forget the hit Konstantinov put at centre ice on the Philly player (dont remember who it was, i’ll have to watch the tape again sometime) in the Finals…what a hard hit!!

    Its very unfortunate that his career had to be cut short in that way as he was a big part of the Wings defence

  2. pens_fan says:

    interesting my comments mean nothing to you yet you respond to them every time…………………………………………….

  3. pens_fan says:

    Did you just learn how to use those big words? and the Que and Comprende shit was because you started bothering me first only way to respond to an idiot is act like an idiot Good Day!

  4. TMLsundin says:

    Tucker has skill. His hundreds of points in junior hockey prove it. He has always been slotted in poor posistions.. and has never been given the chance to be a goal scorer until recently (where he has done quite well except for injuries)

    The reason Tucker played like a goon all these years is because he had to. If he didn’t he wouldn’t have kept his job. He was forced to play out of his element.

    If Tucker doesn’t get injured this year, he will put up 30 goals.

  5. Phillyfanatic says:

    The Leafs should retire the greatest player acquired in the greatest trade ever…..John Kordic!

  6. Phillyfanatic says:

    WoW!!! Why dont the Av’s throw in Rob Blake for Clark Wilm??? It makes sense…. to leaf fans that is.

  7. BeLEAFer925 says:

    I like the idea of just honouring numbers. If you retire too many numbers it can get rediculious over time since there will only be a few numbers left at some point. But it is hard to argue against retiring guys numbers like Yzerman, Leetch, Sakic etc…

    Does anybody remember when they first started to honour numbers in Toronto, when a player would choose to wear that number lets sat “1” which was honoured for Broda and Bower the current leafs player would have the regular shoulder logo on the jersey (the maple leaf) with the honoured players name writtin inside it. I think Damian Rhodes had it. Was this a one time only thing (like for one game) cause I don’t remember it continuing for long and obviously guys like Roberts didn’t have anything like that for their numbers.

    As for the Leafs retiring future numbers:

    Clark – I don’t think they will. He never really did that much in terms of individual or team accolades, but is still a Leaf legend, a fan favourite. Mostly known for being traded for Sundin

    Domi – Same as Clark, but a bigger fan favourite.

    Gilmour – Maybe, won the selke one year, led the team out of obscurity and back to competitivness, and defined the team as a gritty, tough, warrior like team for years to come. Kinda what Roberts continued. Another huge fan favourite, nobody bigger than Killer in T.O. Still a big part of the community and the leafs.

    Sundin – Probably a guarantee, an elite NHL player, but needs to lead the team to more success to fully guarantee ie. win a Stanley Cup. He doesn’t have the charisma to get away with the lack of awards like Dougie did.

    Belfour – No way. Didn’t play here long enough. Maybe in Dallas or something, but I think its rare for a team would retire a guys number if he doesn’t retire with the team.

    If anybody’s seen the Leafs 75th anniversery DVD a former player at the end says something like it doesn’t matter if you play a shift or a decade for the leafs, if you give a honest effort the fans will remember you for years.

  8. H_E_DBL_HCKY_STCKS says:

    what has to happen for this to end? obviously you will never shut up! do we have to meet somewhere and have a head to head showdown, you know me showing you down to the floor face first? you just like to argue with me, how bout this don’t post to my responses and i won’t post to yours in the future cuz you are just really aggrevating.

  9. H_E_DBL_HCKY_STCKS says:

    you know what? FU.CK YOU. You are an asshole. The only idiot on this site is you. I would love to whoop your ass away from this whole internet thing, but you are probably to much of a pu.ssy to show up.


  10. rojoke says:

    Actually, Bourque wasn’t forced to relinquish the number 7. I remember seeing the footage from the night they retired Esposito’s #7. He skated over to Phil, removed his #7 jersey, and handed it to Phil. He later said that the team never asked him to change his jersey number, nor did Phil. The only other person who knew of the switch prior to the ceremony was the equipment manager who had prepared the #77 jersey for Bourque. The Bruins had planned on letting Bourque keep the number until he himself retired, and then no one else would wear it again.

  11. rc21pa says:

    Right now Pittsburgh has on number retired. 21 and I can’t even say who the player was but it was because he died young and tragic and he was suppose to be the big star before mario came to pittsburgh. Of course everyone knows 66 will be retired and rightfully so. Sometime the ones that should be retired are the ones everyone knew and made a big impact on the league and team. Patrick Roy, Bobby Hull, Wayne (not league wide though) and others rememberable like these I understand. Some of the others mentioned I can’t even tell you who they are. When history is forgotten it is time to bring the number back. When you have fans “saying who the hell is that” it might be time to considering returning a number back to the list. After all you still have the hall of fame to remember the greats the team doesn’t always have to retire your number just to have you remembered. At some paces that teams retire numbers players might have to start playing with triple digit jerseys. That would just be wrong. Only the GREATS should be retired forever and they are the ones that will always be remembered.

  12. garyroberts7 says:

    Dude he was backing your team up(leafs).

  13. NYRules says:

    retiring numbers is great. Its the least you can do in memory of a man that gave your entire city memories and everything they did for the fans.

    Can’t wait to see 2 35 and 11 in the rafters of the worlds most famous arena.

  14. NYRules says:

    2 and 11….. forgot they did richter last year. I actually went to the game the next day.

  15. NYRules says:

    #9 i hope that gets retired. Graves and Richter are my alltime favorite rangers.

    I was so glad when Bure called up Gravesy first to make sure wearing 9 was ok. Even Bure, a man that led the league in scoring several times, new he couldnt just take that number knowing what he means to NY

  16. Havlat_hasit says:

    Cant wait until Aki Berg’s number is retired

  17. Neely4Life says:

    I dont know if graves should have his number retired. This might be the only exception to a number, where the player has to be a hall of fammer. Howe, Richard, Graves, just doesnt sound right. DOnt get me wrong, hes been a soild forward most of his career, just not enough to have his number retired.

  18. Neely4Life says:

    I would hope, no time soon, there will be 80 numbers retired. At least not in my life time or my kids, kids, kids, life. Unless your Colorado and trade for vets for a year or 2, and retire their number.

  19. Neely4Life says:

    I think retiering Glimour would be a good idea. I dont think n e one is ever gonna wear 93 again as it is, so, might as well retire it. He brought Toronto back into the hockey lime light after the 80’s, and well, we just wont go into the 80’s. But Gilmour brought the leafs back, and should be honourd because of it. Still hate the leafs though!

  20. Neely4Life says:

    Aki BURG is a JOKE, and should be wearing 42. Take 8 off hi sback! Its an Insult to NEELY! Frig, its an insult to Mike Poluso.

  21. Neely4Life says:

    Perhaps the classiest player ever to play. If not, a close 2nd to Wayne.

  22. Neely4Life says:

    ahahahahahha, wtf?? your a loser buddy. A head to head showdown ahahahaha. Do u pick up little girls on this too.

  23. Resmo112 says:

    i remember that hit, i think shjon podien for some reason but i’m not entirely sure.

  24. Resmo112 says:

    i wouldn’t mind it if they retired it in boston, roy ok maybe he did win them like what 3 cups and is the winningest goalie of all time AND played a large part of his career there so that’s understandable borque not so much.

  25. pens_fan says:

    are you reading disabled i said Good Day! do you ned to hear it twice? G-o-o-d D-a-y

  26. pens_fan says:

    Berg shouldnt even be wearing a number atall

  27. hillbilly322 says:

    People Like sakic wouldnt wear 19 in the first place when yzerman couldnt make it to the world cup last september sakic took his number 91 to honor stvie wonder and joe thorton realized it as well and wore 97 so i really dont think that numbers are all that important. They should be continued to be retired for the team in which they played for. Guys like bourque and yzerman gave there team everything and anything you could ask for in a captain they can at least have nobody else wear there number.

  28. habs_punk says:

    AWW, the poor leafs fans are getting upset, would you guys like a tissue?

  29. H_E_DBL_HCKY_STCKS says:

    a loser? I would stick my foot up his ass and yours if you would like! Why are you getting involved? pens_fan is acting like a monkey missing his peanut for a brain, take a look at all my posts! he keeps spamming responses of QUE? and COMPRENDE? for no goddamn reason, hes pissing me off. He must be a net nerd with no life or girlfriend to speak of.

  30. bleedingblu says:

    That is such a lame comment. Don’t you get tired?

  31. 92-93 says:

    you, a habs fan, should understand the concept of ‘intangibles.’

    you know, not always looking at the stats and looking at the more difficult things to measure such as ‘guts,’ influencing others to play better, rising to the occasion when it counts, etc.

    That is why someone like Gilmour should have his jersey retired. he WAS the Leafs in the early-mid 1990s. There are not many players that can make that kind of an impact. again, as a habs fan, you should understand what i am talking about but i guess not.

    as for the ” If these guys were so great, why did your team trade them?” comment … do you understand economics at all? Trades happen. nobody stays with the same team their entire career nowadays (its extremely rare). if you go by this standard of yours, only players who have played with one team and have not been traded their entire careers will have their numbers retired. I guess we have to take #99 down. Why did Edmonton trade him? and LA? and St. Louis?? No I am not comparing Gilmour to Gretzky, just poking a few more holes of the many that exist in your reasoning.

  32. 92-93 says:

    I love the fact that we can all take the other person’s side once in awhile. it show maturity and being reasonable and all that stuff. but next time, please think twice about agreeing with what a Hab fans says (re: my reply to his post).

  33. 92-93 says:

    actually, Alfredsson has been as effective as Berg in the playoffs.

  34. Neely4Life says:

    lol, ya, i dont think so buddy. But nice try, trying to be funny.

  35. Neely4Life says:

    Gilmour ment as much to the LEafs, maybe more, than any player in the history of the leafs. I say this because the leafs really were a joke in the 80’s, and before gilmour got there, wasnt really a contender either. He brought the leafs back to life, and usually are a contender each year now. Gilmour should be honourd for what a number of players could not do! That was make Toronto a winner and a contender.

  36. H_E_DBL_HCKY_STCKS says:


    ….THAT IS ALL!

  37. pens_fan says:

    LMFAO you are a complete and utter retard “i will shove my foot up both your asses” ok there tough guy are you going to jump through the computer screen? or spend thousands of dollars to find out where i live? threats over the internet get no where you idiot go pick up some more 5 year olds its all you seem to be good at

  38. H_E_DBL_HCKY_STCKS says:

    was it not you that stated you will run me over with your truck faggot? i say go ahead and try it. i welcome the opportunity to smash your face into concrete.

  39. pens_fan says:

    lmao you are an idiot i cant even speak spanish so its made up words idiot. and what are you 3? whan whan he started it boo who boo *****in who well then again you do pick up little girls so you probably are little yourself

  40. H_E_DBL_HCKY_STCKS says:

    wtf are you talking about with these lil girls????? you speaking from your own experience, keep talking tough net tough guy you prolly a big fu.ckin ***** that don’t know what a woman feels like. I bet you have extensive experience with playing with your own nut. blow it out yer ass fag boy. stfu. can’t fu.ckin wait till school starts so you lil *****es get the off this website for atleast 7 hours, fu.cking nerd.

  41. pens_fan says:

    You know you pick up little boys and girls offering them candy! dont yu know what you do in your own life? go ***** some more little boys in the ass COMPRENDE?

  42. thompo69 says:

    Not unless he has a career ending injury while in Toronto. Here’s the Leafs policy on retiring numbers: “Only players who have made a significant contribution to the Toronto Maple Leaf Hockey Club and have experienced a career-ending incident while a member of the Maple Leaf team will have their numbers considered for retirement.” As great as Sundin is and has been while in Toronto, there are a lot better players ahead of him that haven’t had their number retired.

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