Flyers goalie woes continue as more trade rumors circulate.

The hits just keep on coming for the Flyers. Since last nights embarrassing 6-2 loss to the Sabres and the obvious frustration of forwards including the young tandem of Gagne & Williams and that of prominent team leader Jeremy Roenick. One has to wonder what needs to be don’t to correct all of this. Last night the Flyers Generated offence and did play defence the main problem was the play of Jeff Hackett. Hack had a terrible showing letting by some of the weakest goals I have seen in a long time. Blame it on defence all you want but the only way the d can save Hack is to not allow any shots at all.

Obviously goaltending is a problem and although I have faith in Eshe the Flyers can not succeed with Hack as a number one, two or, three goalie.

Nhl.com reported today that the Flyers are now interested in a few more Goaltenders including Olaf Kolzig, Curtis Joseph, Tommy Salo and Sean Burke.

I myself wouldn’t mind seeing any of these goalies in Philly and my first choices for trade bait are Gagne and Therein. Gagne is proving that 30 goal season was a fluke at least as far as the Flyers are concerned. And getting rid of Therein would give a nice open spot for the flyers to bring up a young defenceman i.e. Seidenburg to help him developer. Plus the addition of any of these goalies would undoubtedly cure many of Philadelphia’s ailments.

The Hype # 97


44 Responses to Flyers goalie woes continue as more trade rumors circulate.

  1. turninglane says:

    Oh how the Oilers would love to have Gagne in exchange for Salo. Probably Salo plus something, because of his impending free agency, but Gagne would be a perfect fit for Edmonton as their number one center!

  2. RangerSteve says:

    Okay let’s see here….

    Olaf Kolzig-Was on the Washington that got shalacked by Detroit, looks as if his best days are behind him, but of course he’s on a struggling Caps squad.

    Curtis Joseph-HAHAH. Good luck on that one, you’re going to have to offer an arm and leg for him now since he’s proving hes Detroit’s #1 w/ Dominik Hasek out.

    Tommy Salo-If I’m Kevin Lowe, I get on the phone ASAP and make this trade. Salo’s ‘glory’ in Edmonton, if you even want to call it that, is gone and Conklin’s proving he can play on a nightly basis.

    Sean Burke-Phoenix is in the playoff hunt, and Burke was already a failed experiemtn in Philly.

    How about firing Bobby Clarke for saying that Hackett is a capable of taking them to the cup? At least with Chokemanek the Flyers never went into these types of slumps.

  3. TC_4 says:

    Salo and Rita. But it won’t happen, I don’t think Philly fans will believe that Salo is an upgrade from Hack. I disagree, but they still need a better upgrade then Tommy.

  4. TRaPT1307 says:

    Not getting Cujo. Hasek might be had for the right price though…

  5. Tradedude says:

    nah Hackett is good LOL

  6. hockeyalliance says:

    The flyers won’t win a thing unless they get a goalie. I wouldn’t move Gagne for salo or Burke both are high risks and salo is doing nothingthis year and like someone else said he is an FA after the season is over.

    cujo and kolzig on the other hand would be good pickups but how would they get rid of hackett if they were to deal for a goalie Wavers?? No one would take him. Trade him?? No one would give up anything for him.. So if they do deal for a goalie they will have a 3 goalie system like the wings have now.

  7. B-man says:

    I said all along that the flyers goaltending was not good, and wouldn’t hold up. I mean come on, JEFF HACKETT as ur number 1 goalie??

    RIDICULOUS. This is just like the flyers.

  8. mattf says:

    hahaha, well they could have also fucked up by signing dunham

  9. rojoke says:

    How about this deal. Tommy Salo for a personal check from Mike Comrie for $2.5 million.

    Seriously though, Salo hasn’t exactly got a stellar playoff record either. At least Kolzig has been to the finals in the past five years. None of the other goalies mentioned has. So since we’re tossing out ‘playoff goalies’, why not add Roman Turek’s name to the list. With Kiprusoff’s play since coming to Calgary, Turek may now be expendable, and affordable.

  10. RangerSteve says:

    Yeah, cuz he was already under contract with NYR I think….now THAT would not have surprised me if Clarke attempted to do that one lol. I know a lotta Philly fan who want Dunham instead of Can’tHackett.

  11. commonwealth says:

    Hey everyone and their dog was shouting “don’t make Jeff Hackett your #1 goalie” but…..what can you now except sit on watch Jeremy Roenick throw temper tantrums about the hole the flyers have fallen into. I feel the only two goalies that would work as replacements would be Hasek or Salo. I doubt the Caps are intrested in Gagne, especially for their #1 goalie… i mean Maxim Oullette is just not ready for the big show yet, so why give up Kolzig?

    I see all the wings fans who were bashing and banishing Cujo to the waivers 6 months ago, are now singing his praise and are ready to ship Hasek’s worthless ass off. I know the red wings would love to add Gagne to their roster, but so would Edmonton. If I am the oilers I give up Tommy Salo and let the kid take the raines. Getting Gagne would be HUGE for the Oil, and giving up Salo is nothing. If they are worried about goalies, make Philly throw in Hackett and make Hackett #2.

    I’m sure some kind of blundering will come into place here, and being an Avs fan I’d love to see Edmonton get worse, but if they want to get better, they’ll get up and make a deal for Gagne.

  12. jacosta says:

    Clarke will not go for Salo, being that Salo has shown some major weaknesses in his game lately. Clarke will definetly go for Burke in Phoenix. He wanted him last year at the deadline and now that he can get him that will be his man.

    I though have a feeling that Burke’s best days are behind him and the Flyers will still lose because of Goaltending. It just seems like a Clarkey Curse.

  13. HabsNick says:

    Hmm… let’s go into hypothetical mode…

    To Philly : Tommy Salo

    To Edmonton : Simon Gagné

    then

    To Edmonton : Mathieu Garon, Yannic Perreault, Chad Kilger

    To Montreal : Ethan Moreau, 1st round pick

    Philly gets their number one goalie, Edmonton gets a good goaltending tandem in Garon and Conklin, and some strong reinforcment for their top two lines, and Montreal gets a good grinder and a good draft pick.

    It’s very hypothetical and unlikely at best, but i felt like saying it. I dont think Montreal would use their only trade bait to get anything else than that “right handed center” which is the only thing on Gainey’s list of things to get aside from draft picks.

    As for getting a goalie, you just know Clarke will go for the crappiest choice he can find.

  14. Aetherial says:

    First,

    Quit hitting the panic button over Philly. ALL teams have tough streaks. The Leafs have not been much better since the Christmas break and I don’t see people (for once) screaming abotu who needs to be traded. Mark my words, Philly will be STRONG at the end. Do they need a goalie? Yes.

    Second,

    Despite what people say Bobby Clarke is not an idiot. This guy has pulled off some great trades (the pitkanen draft pick!) and yeah, maybe a bad one or so (Oates!).

    He would have to be an idiot to give up Gagne for Salo. Gagne is not producing because of Hitchcock’s system. As much as I hate all things to do with the Flyers… Gagne is worth a LOT more.

    I look for perhaps a trade for Hasek if CuJo continues to play well in Detroit. A lot depends on Hasek’s injuries. I am not sure Philly would have to give up a whole helluva lot for him either. I don’t think they will go down the Burke road again. Kolzig is intriguing… I believe the Flyers could offer up talent/picks to Washington and pry him away.

    If I had my choice from Philadelphia’s perspective… I would forget Hasek and go after Kolzig.

  15. Lint07 says:

    ”We have no goaltending problem here”

    ”The best defense is the offense”

    -Bobby Clarke

    Way to go Clarkie, looking forward to see you choke in the playoffs once again this year!

  16. The_Conductor says:

    Quit hitting the panic button for Philly. Whoa! Its been hit just like it was hit in Edmonton.

    Hackett is no where near a playoff goalie and no way can he take any team through any post season.

    They need a goalie and quick.

  17. The_Conductor says:

    You know this may help Philly. But can the Oil. rely on Ty to take them the rest of the season and then if they make it… through the post seaosn.

    Hmmm I dont know. Ty is good… but I dont know if he is that good. But would love to see Gagne and Perreault.

    What would the money contract be? Oil dont have all that much money. What is the salary trade-off?

  18. cgolding says:

    The flyers would be stupid to move Gagne for anyone. He hasn’t been scoring for any number of reasons, but I think it has to do with his shoulder injury of a couple years ago, he simply is not getting to the same scoring zones on the ice. He’s getting a ton of shots, in fact he led the NHL in shots in december but only tallied 1.

    So, from that evidence you can draw a couple conclusions. One is that, yes, the 30 goal seasons are not going to return. Two, that it is only a matter of time before they start to fall. Obviously it is disconcerting that for a year and a half now he has been in a prolonged slump. Personally, I don’t think it is Hitch’s system bringing him down if he is leading the NHL in shots for a month… the chances are clearly there.

    The main reason, however, that the Flyers will in all liklihood not be moving Gagne is that he is a major fan favorite(as much as that matters) and also he is an ideal player for Hitch. Gagne is extremely reliable defensively, and has the speed to be involved in the play all over the ice like Hitch wants. In an interesting development he has started to become more physical in the past few months which “may” help him to get to those good scoring areas and start to put the puck in the net.

    I think the rumor that Handzus may be on the block is much more likely. As of now the top 3 centers on the flyers are Roenick, Comrie, and Primeau when all are healthy, and Lapointe has just returned from Depression therapy. Handzus has not shown the scoring touch that was expected from him since coming to philly with any consistency, but is a valuable defender. If Handzus is going to fall to a fourth line role for this team, that is a position that Lapointe can easily fill.

    That leads me to believe that, despite the protests of Clarke, a trade involving Handzus and Hackett to somewhere else is a relatively likely event if he’s gonna make a move after a goalie. I think Khabi would be a great pickup, and makes some sense with a team in Tampa where the coach is looking for more defensively responsible players, something that Handzus is absolutely.

    I would love to see Therien get moved, cuz he drives me nutz with the turn overs, but teams could have had him for nothing(he was put out in the waiver draft) at the beginning of the year and didn’t take him, so I somehow doubt he has ANY weight in a trade situation.

    all this leads to a forward situation post possible Handzus trade of …

    Amonte – Roenick – Recchi

    Gagne – Comrie – Williams

    Leclair – Primeau – Kapanen

    Brashear – Lapointe – Somik

    I’ll go to war with those lines, especially if you could backstop them with a guy like Khabi.

    we shall see…

    -chris

  19. Lint07 says:

    if those 2 trades would go down like he said (not gonna happen, though) Garon #1 would be over Conklin.

  20. Bishop7979 says:

    I know that this really doesnt have anything to do with the article but . . .

    since when did Jeremy Roenick become such a crybaby whining punk. I mean he’s one of the dirtiest skilled players in the league, he’s made a living cross checking and slashing his way into the net, but as soon as things arent going his (read: his teams) way he goes on espn and looks like hes ready to cry because they got out played by the penguins. I mean did anyone see him after the game, he looked like he was going to throw a hissy fit, take his ball and go home.

    To Roenick I say; Suck it up JR. Hockey is a rough sport. Work through the checks like you used to, hit someone other than the opposing teams goalie, and pretend for a minute that you dont believe that you deserve to win every game you egotistical jackass. There’s guys out there who get paid a fraction of what you do, that play on bad teams, they get beat around worse than you do and they dont throw tantrums on the ice.

    I mean seriously the flyers are still first in the atlantic even after playing like crap for the better part of a month. (Hell the penguins had more wins in december than the flyers did.) Go find Stevie Y, borrow some heart, go play some hockey and shut the hell up.

    Yeah the NHL has problems, but these on ice spectacles and after game rants do nothing but make you look like a spoiled brat, while making the league look bad.

    Grab Joe Thorton and go play in Russia if you cant handle the physical burden that comes with being the offensive face of a team. theres 748 other guys in the league who dont seem to mind it, and Im sure theres anouther 750 guys in the minors who would gladly take your place.

  21. Bishop7979 says:

    ”The best defense is the offense” isnt saying this and hiring ken hitchcock and oxymoron or something?

    “Way to go Clarkie, looking forward to see you choke in the playoffs once again this year!” -Amen brother

  22. aafiv says:

    As was said, Salo does not represent an upgrade in goal for the Flyers so Gagne won’t be a part of the deal. You can have Therien for him though… Oh, I’m sorry, Edmonton can’t afford Chris Therien’s salary.

  23. The_Conductor says:

    Oh good call, my mistake.

  24. aafiv says:

    Wow. You Edmonton fans have lay off the Molson.

    Gagne isn’t going to Edmonton for Tommy “No Playoff Experience” Salo. How about a third-round pick and a bag of pucks. Salo is not an upgrade.

  25. aafiv says:

    The reffing in this league sucks ass. The two ref system is making things worse and the players are beginning to show it. Look at Mats Sundin?

    When there was one ref there were half the mistakes that you see nowadays. Since there’s no fighting allowed in the league anymore, it’s anything goes with the stickwork.

    I think the players should take things into their own hands. Roenick should carve up Blaine Angus’ face and see how he likes it. Then refuse to sit out the next game and have the Flyers front office refuse to pay the fine. What can the NHL do? Call the Mounties?

  26. Bishop7979 says:

    i agree the officating in the NHL is horrible, and it seems to have gotten worse now that there are two refs, one reason is because younger refs are afraid to make calls when paired with a vet. I cant tell you how many times ive seen one of the newer refs not make a single call all game when paired with older guys like fraiser and Magoo (spelling?)

    But my problem is this. How many times have guys gotten sticked in the face that havent been called? happens all the time. Guys like Fitzgerald, Moran, Lapointe, Larsen the hard working 4th line guys probably take a stick up high every game from guys like JR and Messier and they dont get the call because its JR and Messier that are doing the sticking. It happens to JR during a bad month, as far as his team is concerned, and he throws a tantrum. Can you imagine what would happen if some no name 4th liner did that to a ref? he sure as hell get alot more than a one game suspension. Liek sundin when he threw the broken stick into the stands. If Peter Worrrell would have pulled that crap the punishment would have been much worse.

    but thats anouther topic. What it comes down to is I’m sick of watching games where JR is one of the dirtiest players on the ice, where he gets away with it, and then bitches about the officals when the team loses.

    Hockey already has the image of being a sport for brainless goons, seeing that video bite on sportcenter isnt doing anything to correct that.

  27. cgolding says:

    i’m not sure where you get Roenick as being one of the dirtiest players on the ice… the only thing i see him do with any regularity that is bad is the occasional hit from behind which is a nagging problem for all physical players in the league…

    and if roenick really is a ‘dirty’ player in the nhl on anything resembling a regular basis, we’ve come so far from the Ulf’s of the world…

  28. The_Conductor says:

    True, but Salo has played well right now… and Salo cant be worse then what Philly has now!

  29. cgolding says:

    sidebar aspect of the whole thing were the 10 minutes of straight power play that Buffalo got on some legitimate and illegitimate calls… including a nice 5 min. major for spearing that Therien got on poor Satan that cried on the ice for about 10 minutes and then didn’t miss a shift…

    And players across the league are pissed about the officiating, it isn’t just Joe Thornton… if you check out the last Players Poll almost every player asked ripped the officials… some of the No’s were even ripping them saying that nothing had gotten worst because it never got any better…

  30. CupBoundFlyers says:

    Yea too bad Gagne isnt on the trade block, why does everyone think Gagne is going to be traded? If anything there would be a deal containing Hackett, Therien, maybe Lapointe, draft picks…..something like that we all know that Clarke doesnt want to give away the young talent on the team esp. for some joke like salo.

  31. CupBoundFlyers says:

    You wish…. keep dreaming

  32. Freeze says:

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    1. Two peanuts walk into a bar. One was assaulted.

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    One says to the other: “Does this taste funny to you?”

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    “That sounds like Tom Jones syndrome.”

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    “I don’t believe you,” said Dolly.

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    The shrink says, “Well, I can clearly see you’re nuts.”

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    One says, “I’ve lost my electron.”

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    Finally, he says “I’m going to have to put him down.”

    “What? Because he’s cross-eyed?”

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    17. What do you call a fish with no eyes? … A fsh

    OK, get back to some serious hockey talk now….

  33. Bishop7979 says:

    First off I believe I called him one of the “dirtiest skilled players in the league”. Im not saying he’s Peter worrell or anything, more like mark messier. hes a good player, but he hacks, slashes, boards, and gets the stick up on a regular basis, all while running an occasional goalie. and dont get me started on the post whistle stuff Ive seen him try to pull, especially during this past month.

    You may not notice it because refs dont call it, because hes JR, but its there. He’s kinda like Sean Hill. He quietly mucks it up, and he priobably should get called for it more often.

    All I’m saying is that he does it as much, if not more than the average player. And the players he’s doing it to are alot less skilled, and are getting paid alot less than he is. but when some third liner clips him once, by accident, he takes the frustration he has with himself, and his team, out on an offical.

    When a player pulls something like this I feel like they are trying to say they are above everyone else, like they are special. Yes JR is a special player, but hes not special. Hes part of a team, and his comments about hitchcock in the press, his comments on espn after the Flyers Penguins game, everything that happened on and off the ice surrounding the buffalo incident, these things are only hurting his team.

    And really it makes him look like an ass when there are 700 other guys in the league that will take the abuse and not let it be an excuse for why their team is playing badly.

  34. TC_4 says:

    It wasn’t an Oiler fan that suggested that. I will defend them though, you saw Tommy shut down your Flyers last Saturday, so why don’t you like him. He’s finally playing like Tommy used to. At the same time, it IS an upgrade on your situation, but it isn’t the upgrade you need(ie. Kolzig).

  35. TC_4 says:

    That’s right, we can’t. And why are you proud of that? Therien is horrible!

  36. FlyHigh says:

    3 words for Ken Hitchcock. START ROBERT ESCHE. Having some team veterans (especially on the blueline) wouldn’t be a bad idea either. I know the offense has been bad, but lately, goalies have chosen to have career nights against the Flyers. Aubin 33 saves on 34 shots, salo a shutout with about 3 impossible saves, biron 44 saves, noronen 26 saves, luongo 46 saves, what can you do? The D has just been real bad, but esche does need to start. a horrible game at buffalo could light a fire though………

  37. amadan says:

    I think Khabi would be the best bet for Philly rigt about now, except for two things:

    1) I don’t think Clarkie’s smart enough to see it, and pull it off.

    2) I shudder to think what we’d have to give up to get him.

    Also, I may be wrong, but I believe Hackett has a no-trade clause (I’m gonna have to re-check that though)

  38. rojoke says:

    Three reasons why I don’t see the second trade happening.

    First, I don’t think Lowe is looking for a goalie, at least not at this point. Conklin’s play has shown that he’s more than just a back-up. I think Lowe will at least give him a shot at the starter’s job if Salo is dealt this season. Especially if they fall out of a playoff spot.

    Second, Habs GM Bob Gainey has said that if he makes a trade, he wants a right-shooting center. Moreau is a winger. Unless he wants to play on the 3rd or 4th lines, he isn’t needed in Montreal.

    Third, I don’t think Lowe wants Chad Kilger back. Wasn’t he the one who traded Kilger to Edmonton in the first place? While I personally like Kilger, ’cause he’ll play wherever Julien puts him, he hasn’t exactly shunned his reputation as an underachiever since coming to Montreal.

  39. cgolding says:

    yes, yes he did…

    he definitely goes over the edge at times, as we saw in buffalo. but i think there is a difference between a guy that plays on the emotional edge like he does, and a guy that is straight dirty. i really don’t consider most boarding calls/hits from behind to be dirty plays. they are dangerous no doubt, and should be severely regulated, but the problem stems from the fact that these guys are flying around and in order to be effective in the physical game you can’t be constantly processing the position of everyone on the ice… plus when someone turns into the boards on you.

    this is the same problem that football is having to deal with in terms of DB’s leveling WR’s, do you really want to regulate the ‘big hit’ out of the game?

    but i don’t buy this roenick constantly has his stick up, and is mucking it up after every play. i watch every flyers game, go to 12 a year, and just don’t see it. he usually just skates slowly to the bench after a shift, doesn’t really get involved with the crap after the play. if you wanna talk about that stuff the criminals on the flyers are Brash and Primeau, both of whom are a real pain in the ass after the play.

    -chris

  40. brianA says:

    well…this is my first time on this site in prolly about a year and a half or so, and the last time i was on here i was rpeaching about how brian boucher was the best thing the flyers had, and then that douchebag in the office i.e. bob clark. decided that he would rather have the tall sporadic 5 hole as big as NYC goaltender in his net, and where has that gotten the flyers…2 first round loses, and a second, and then finally people saw things the way i did, and now all of the sudden the coyotes finally play boucher and who looks stupid now…the flyers, because what did we get for him, handzus….you must be kidding…

    as for the other goalies you have on this list, kolzig is playing like he’s already retired, cujo has lost all of his mojo, as quite frankly he’s terrible, and would blow the playoffs yet again im sure, burke is not worth what they’d want…but boucher maybe for gagne?…and salo is also an old guy who isnt gonna win us a championship

    we need to stop looking old school players who were good, and go for who is going to be good, get the young guyz, and get a good young goalie to help you for the next 10 years aka BRING BACK BOUCH!!!!

  41. aafiv says:

    By your logic, we are fine with Hackett and Esche as Salo got lucky last Saturday because the Flyers were alseep on their skates. I was there.

    Although I do agree that the Flyers need something else come playoff time.

  42. TC_4 says:

    Haha, that’s YOUR logic. I said Salo IS an upgrade from what you have, but isn’t as big of an upgrade as you need. What I’m saying is that you need a PROVEN playoff goaltender to be serious contenders. Maybe Salo would do it in Philly, but all Flyers fans would feel better with Kolzig, who’s taken his team to the finals. You know what’s funny though? Everyone forgets that outside of the 98 playoffs, he’s never made it past the first round!

  43. TheHype97 says:

    if what happened to jr happened to you you would have reacted the same way dont bash him when you have no idea of what it felt like and what should have been done give him credit he threw a water bottle i would have jumped Angus

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