Flyers make a statement

Bobby Clarke sign Mike Richards and Jeff Carter today, the Flyers 2003 first round draft picks. This comes as no surprise as every Flyers fan has been waiting for this since the signing period opened. What makes these signings really stand out is the contracts they signed. The contracts Richards and Carter signed contain NO PERFORMANCE BONUSES .

This is quite a shock and a blow to every leafs fan who thought that all things equal the 2 players would rather play in Toronto. Clarke took a hard line stand based on the new economical climate and the players took less to play in Philly. The next sound you hear is going to be a collective “OH SH-T!” from agents who are expecting their rookie clients to sign lucrative “A” and excessive “B” bonuses in the million as GMs can point to the Philly deals and say “if it’s good enough for them, it should be good enough for you”.

NHL GMs everywhere have to be smiling, and with good reason. Clarke, Richards, and Carter made a heck of a statement to ring in the new CBA.

Go Flyers!!

http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/news_story.asp?id=131587


46 Responses to Flyers make a statement

  1. titans says:

    Having been to many a Phantoms games and to their Cup winning game I can assure Flyers fans we are in for quiite a show. These two are the real deal!

    Go Flyers!

    Leafs Suck!

    Long live Christopher Walken!

  2. Flyer_Fan says:

    What will we possibly look like this year??

    maybe…

    LW Gagne C Carter RW Roenick

    LW Ruzicka C Richards RW Knuble

    LW Sharp C Primeau RW Kapanen

    LW Brashear C Handzus RW Stevenson

    D Johnsson D Pitkanen

    D Desjardins D Markov

    D Seidenberg D Malakov??

    G Esche

    G Nittymaki

    Our “6th” D Man is still a question I think.

    It’s a shame that the Flyers will not get this kid Ryan. He would be a perfect fit on our team.

    He’s a local guy who wants to play here too!

    Let’s see,

    Umberger, and one of our many goalie prospects, plus our # 1 to the team who will assure us we will get him!

  3. Flyers_01 says:

    This realistically probably won’t happen, but i’d rather see Kapanen as a DMan than a forward. Handzus shouldn’t be on the fourth line though, that’s a waste of his abilities.

  4. Flyer_Fan says:

    I heard about that possibility. (Kapanen on D)

    I can see switching Primeau with the Zeus man.

    We have so much depth, either way the Flyers should be fun to watch this year!

  5. nordiques100 says:

    richards will probably play the wing and sharp would centre the 4th line. it will depend on where he is most comfortable. you cant have handzus on the 4th line. this guy can get 50 plus points for you but needs the ice time and some decent guys to play with.

    radivojevic and umberger have a good shot playing 4th line duty on a line with sharp and stevenson. brashear will and should get cut. they also have todd fedoruk too who is younger, cheaper and decent for 4th line work.

    it’s going to have to cost the flyers umberger, sharp and a first at least to get the 2nd or 3rd pick. burke and rutherford who have the 2nd and 3rd picks respectively will not give that pick away. they are hardliners.

    minny wont trade their pick. and montreal will want to trade up not down and i am not sure Ryan would still be around by then.

    you know all those teams picking 2 through 6 will ask for carter, richards or pitkanen. it isnt that simple to trade none of your top players or prospects and get something significant in return. those teams will want equal value and considering how high some teams think of jack johnson, pouliot or brule, they wont give that pick away.

  6. nordiques100 says:

    richards will probably play the wing and sharp would centre the 4th line. it will depend on where he is most comfortable. you cant have handzus on the 4th line. this guy can get 50 plus points for you but needs the ice time and some decent guys to play with.

    radivojevic and umberger have a good shot playing 4th line duty on a line with sharp and stevenson. brashear will and should get cut. they also have todd fedoruk too who is younger, cheaper and decent for 4th line work.

    it’s going to have to cost the flyers umberger, sharp and a first at least to get the 2nd or 3rd pick. burke and rutherford who have the 2nd and 3rd picks respectively will not give that pick away. they are hardliners.

    minny wont trade their pick. and montreal will want to trade up not down and i am not sure Ryan would still be around by then.

    you know all those teams picking 2 through 6 will ask for carter, richards or pitkanen. it isnt that simple to trade none of your top players or prospects and get something significant in return. those teams will want equal value and considering how high some teams think of jack johnson, pouliot or brule, they wont give that pick away.

  7. Flyer_Fan says:

    They can have Sharp

    Maybe add Fedoruk and Colin Fraser to the deal…

    huh? huh?!

    ; )

    Handzus can be moved up I agree.

    I’m just throwing something out there to start conversation.

    Flyers should be kicking ass for a decade at least!

  8. nordiques100 says:

    yes the flyers are in great shape. unfortunately for you fraser was dealt in the zhamnov trade to chicago.

    you’ve been a big leaf basher how come you didnt make fun of us again by offering something like neil little for the first overall pick :)

    it may take a proven guy or one of those big 3 youngsters to get a top pick.

    how about gagne to the habs for the 5th overall pick plus one of their wealth of prospects like hainsey, hossa,or plekanic among others. gagne could be replaced in the free agent market and you still would end up with Ryan. assuming the first round goes like this: crosby, johnson, pouliot, brule

    but after crosby everything is a crapshoot.

  9. Flyers_Fan_In_LA says:

    they didn’t get rid of players to make 7 mill in cap room. Expect the Flyers to land at least one big UFA. Pronger is likely out and at 7.2 million no problemo. Niedermaier will likely NOT come to Philly but watch Clarke make sure Lamorello has to pay through the b-hole to keep him.

    I am thinking the biggest bargain will be Modano. A risk too. That pushed Richards to the wing and or bumps Carter to the 3rd line. Remember, this is a cup starved town and Carter hasn’t scored his first goal in the NHL yet. Penciling him in as the top line center is a bit agressive.

    As for Clarke, note he got them both to sign on before Crosby and Ovechkin. Not bad for all of those Clarke-bashers out there. I am an Ovheckin fan and have him in my fantasy league for $2 for next year. I want to see him signed and was THRILLED to see the foriegn player deal done.

  10. Flyer_Fan says:

    woops

    I meant Colin Shields

  11. Flyer_Fan says:

    That’s what is great,

    I think we will somehow land a quality player and my posted “depth chart” will change for the better.

    You know the Flyers will spend to the maximum of the cap.

    We need a solid D man in my opinion.

    It sucks that it won’t be Niedermayer.

  12. bender says:

    IF Modano did come to Philly. I’m sure we’d see Handzus on his way out of town to make room, possibly for another defenseman or maybe even to move up in the draft.

    Like you said, Carter might not be ready to be thrust into the 1st Line Center AND the same can be said about Richards, so letting him center the 4th line for his first year wouldn’t be so bad.

    Modano

    Carter

    Primeau

    Richards

    Now that’s set up the middle, n’est pas???

    The more I think about it, the more I also like the idea of the Flyers going after Foote. And I’d buyout Brashear and take a stab at McCarty as well.

  13. bender says:

    I don’t think Ruzicka will make the team this year, not yet anyways, he’ll need a year or so in the AHL.

    And with all the talk of Ryan’s skating ability, or lack thereof, I wouldn’t take too big a risk to move on this kid. Does Ryan Sittler ring any bells?

  14. Flyer_Fan says:

    If you are a Flyers fan,

    I hereby take away your membership.

    Comparing Ryan with Sittler??

    please

    Ryan Sittler

    Ryan with Sittler

    Ryan with Ryan Sittler

  15. Flyer_Fan says:

    Please,

    Saying Modano is coming to Philly…

    You are starting to sound like LeafyMcLeaf and Aetherial

    2 major flamers

  16. Flyer_Fan says:

    When are they gonna post the “getting to know you” crap you suggested on “wow”

    damn that’s a lame idea.

    lol

    (just busting)

  17. NemiNA says:

    THATS NOT EVEN THE BEST PART!

    There IS a bonus involved in their contracts, but the NHLPA has to pay as per Bob McKenzie of Tsn.ca. They do get a bonus but the Flyers only pay them both $942,000. HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA I LOVE BEING A FLYERS FAN!!

    LETS GO FLYERS!!!!

  18. Phillys_Hitman says:

    No way in hell does Philly sign Modano. We do NOT need him. We’ve got Umberger, Roenick, and Sharp as depth centers. We don’t need him at all.

  19. habs_punk says:

    Whoa, I think you’re either rating Gagne way to high, or rating the 5th overall pick way too low. There isn’t a lot of difference from picks 2-6, just depends on each team’s needs. Johnson, Brule, Kopitar, Ryan, and Poulliot aren’t that far apart, and really could go in ANY order. Then you look at the fact that, like you said, Gagne could be replaced in the free agent market. Why would Montreal trade the 5th overall pick AND a prospect for someone that “could be replaced in the free agent market”??? It would take a LOT more than Gagne to get that pick out of Montreal.

  20. Weidner says:

    Might look something like the below. I read an article where “Hitch” likes how Sharp and Carter play together so I would look for Sharp to be Carter’s right-wing as he was on the Phantom’s cup run. Having Gagne on that line will enable them to have a “speed line” with the rule changes.

    These may not be lines 1 – 4, but I would look for some of these people to play together.

    Only spots that seem open now are for the 6th defenseman (Malakhov perhaps if they can convince him to come back from Russia) & for the L-wing on Primeau’s line. I thought that would have gone to Somik and not Brashear, but if they didn’t offer him a contract I would pencil in Brashear there for now.

    Leaving Meyer & Jones as the top line with the Phantoms will give them some great experience and ready them for the jump to the NHL in another year or two.

    L-WING // CENTER // R-WING

    GAGNE // CARTER // SHARP

    KAPANEN // HANDZUS // KNUBLE

    ROENICK // RICHARDS // STEVENSON

    BRASHEAR // PRIMEAU // RADIVOJEVIC

    RESERVES: FEDORUK, RUZICKA, PICARD, UMBERGER,

    DEFENSE:

    JOHNSSON // MARKOV

    PITKANEN // DESJARDINS

    SEIDENBERG // JONES

    RESERVES: MEYER

    GOAL:

    ESCHE

    NITTYMAKI

  21. titans says:

    Eh they don’t believe in personality or creativity over here, just endless “Leafs are gonna sign…” articles.

    No vision over here!

  22. guinsfan4life says:

    Any word on if ROenick will be back with the FLyers this year? I thought they might part ways with him to perhaps get more depth on the blueline. Not to mention he wasn’t sure about coming back himself.

  23. Flyer_Fan says:

    Clarke already stated he will be back.

    That should help.

  24. Aetherial says:

    Awesome signings for the Flyers.

    Also the nature of the contracts is one of the first real implications we see of the new CBA. No longer will rookies get exhorbitant pay with or without bonuses, love it!

    Of course I naturally have to hate the Flyers (although I have liked Clarke as a GM overall for a while now).

    I have no idea where the Leaf comment came from? Were these two UFA’s? I have never read or of a Leaf rumor involving these two?

    Maybe or maybe not a Flyer cup this year, but I would bet that there will be one within the next 3 seasons.

    If they take out Ottawa along the way, I would cheer for them.

  25. Flyer_Dman says:

    Picard plays D. And I guarentee you Clarke is not happy with the defensive roster that we have now. Pronger and Nieds are looking less and less likely, but there are soo many stud Dmen out there.

  26. Timaa says:

    It’s almost a guaranteed lock that you’ll see the top line being Kapanen-Primeau-Roenick. And for the people who keep saying that they’re going to move Richards to the wing, he’s a top faceoff man, and why would they waste that?

  27. guinsfan4life says:

    They should be an exciting team to watch with all of the young players they have.

  28. bender says:

    He was quoted as saying that he’d like to play for Hitch***** again.

    So what would the Flyers have to lose if they looked into the matter with some serious intent.

  29. bender says:

    Puuuuleeeze.

    Many Flyers fans are nervous that we’re gonna over pay for this kid and he’s gonna end up a bust.

    The reason I mention Ryan Sittler is that both Sitter’s and Ryan’s Dad had ties to the Flyers organization. In Sittler’s case we took a gamble on him because of WHO he was and not just on HIS GAME. in the first round no less and it didn’t pan out at all. It could happen all over again with Ryan.

  30. bender says:

    Yeah. We don’t need one of the PREMIER Centers in the league! We have Carter…hasn’t even played an NHL game yet! Umberger…Not even ready to step up to the bigs just yet! And Sharp a 3rd or 4th line lifer at best (who moved over to RW in the AHL playoffs!!

    Now Imagine Roenick playing wing with Modano at Center. Eases my mind a bit for scoring. And it’d take some of the pressure off Carter’s introduction into the league.

  31. bender says:

    My sentiments exactly. Richards WILL NOT play wing for the Flyers. I could see Carter move before Richards and I highly doubt that would even happen.

  32. Flyers_01 says:

    There were some Leaf fans on the hockeysfuture board awhile back who found some bios of Carter and Richards that said their favorite NHL team was the Leafs and speculated that if they could become UFAs in the new deal they’d sign with the leafs ASAP.

  33. bender says:

    Word is that Clarke wants to hold onto 2 or maybe even 3 Mil of cap space during the season to keep some room for the trading deadline.

    Not a bad idea I think.

  34. Flyers_01 says:

    I see a huge problem with signing UFAs next week. Basically the new cap realities haven’t sunk into the players (and their agents brains). The contracts of Carter and Richards may have given the players a preview but I truly believe that they don’t get it yet. Players all want raises over what they made before the lockout and there just isn’t enough money to go around. Whereas there was only Jagr and Forsberg in the $10 mill club before there’s at least half a dozen to a dozen players who think they are worth the cap max.

  35. Flyer_Fan says:

    Our teams should have some great battles for years to come.

  36. Flyer_Fan says:

    let’s just say we should agree to disagree on that one.

  37. cgolding says:

    just discussing the line situation…

    LEFT WING // CENTER // RIGHT WING

    GAGNE // CARTER // SHARP — guess on what Hitch has said

    KNUBLE // HANDZUS // RADIO — makes sense based on other two

    KAPANEN // PRIMEAU // ROENICK — know this one

    BRASHEAR // RICHARDS // STEVENSON — people left

    DEFENSIVE PAIRINGS

    JOHNSSON // UFA (Hatcher/Foote?) — maybe Markov

    PITKANEN // MARKOV (maybe the UFA here)

    DESJARDINS // SEIDENBERG

    UFA 7th Dman, Meyer/Jones/Slaney

    GOAL

    ESCHE

    NITTYMAKI

  38. cgolding says:

    if they could land Modano and then use Handzus as the chip to get to Ryan in the draft, i’d be stoked. the quote in Dallas suggested that Modano was interested, but his number one choice was Dallas.

    all a numbers game…

  39. cgolding says:

    Sharp has already transferred to wing and will likely be playing to the right of Carter to start the season, the team liked what they saw of the two of them playing together for the Phantoms (not convinced that will last long at the NHL level).

  40. bender says:

    Yeah. Handzus and a small package to get Ryan would be the ideal way of going about it. I’m just praying that BC isn’t t gonna bet the farm completely on this kid.

    OR

    Seeing Handzus go for a good rugged defenseman, say Jason Smith of the Oilers or such, wouldn’t be a bad idea…

    That is if…Modano and the Flyers are for real.

  41. bender says:

    DO I get my Flyers Fan Membership back, El Presidente??

  42. Flyer_Fan says:

    aah

    It was never taken away in the first place.

    ; )

  43. Flyer_Fan says:

    It just ain’t gonna happen

  44. Flyer_Fan says:

    From what I hear, it looks as though Carter and Richards will be the respective 1st and 2nd Centers.

    You know what?

    Why F-ing not?

    The “new” NHL is gonna “protect” the players more, so there will actually be more scoring.

    Skilled and speedy youth will win more games in this era.

    (at least in my cheap opinion)

  45. cgolding says:

    Zeus will lead the centers in minutes most likely (he did last year as well i believe), and Primeau will be given the match-up minutes against the top-line night in and night out.

    i wouldn’t be shocked to see Carter and Richards split the minutes after that, but based on who their wings are and who will probably be where i would think Carter will end up getting a bit more at even strength…

    the thing with Richards is that I think he may get like 8-10 min a night even strength, but will be out there A LOT for PK duty, and will get some PP time as well. so he’ll prolly end up in the 12 min a night range. Carter, will also get some PK time, will get a bit more on the PP by comparison and i would expect him to get into the 15 min range. obviously not a big difference.

    i think Hitch is going to jugle some, it will be interesting. Carter will definitely be in a “scoring” role, and not given the responsibility that goes with having to worry about someone else… Richards, he’s going to be everywhere… i wouldn’t be shocked to see him spend some time on the wing with Primeau at times.

  46. cgolding says:

    i’d love to see it… but i think Modano is too much of a cap hit for this team to take right now… only problem with the whole scheme.

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