Comments on: Inside the Flyers: Flyers bolster defense, but offense may need help

By: thisgamewelose

thisgamewelose — Mon, 25 Jun 2012 18:09:54 +0000

I like Sutter, but Staal is more than just an overhyped version. Still, it was an over-payment, but only because the Hurricanes wanted to make sure they landed him at all cost.

By: blaze

blaze — Sun, 24 Jun 2012 22:09:01 +0000

I doubt he’ll regret it at all they’re all just assets. If it becomes an issue he will be completely pro active in the trade market.

By: SabresFan220

SabresFan220 — Sun, 24 Jun 2012 21:54:18 +0000

It must be great to be Ray Shero. All your players are vastly overrated because your team’s stars make them look better than they really are. Staal and Sutter aren’t that different to begin with, Sutter is in many ways a less hyped up version of Staal who costs less and is signed for several years. Sutter and Duboulin for Staal would’ve been fair, including the 8th overall makes it highway robbery in Pittsburgh’s favor. Carolina may not regret the deal because of additional jersey sales and marketing boost, but on the ice Pittsburgh fleeced the hell out of them.

By: reinjosh

reinjosh — Sun, 24 Jun 2012 21:48:10 +0000

Paul Holmgren just astounds me. The dude is a ballsy dude but sometimes he’s an idiot.

I still 100 percent think he made a mistake not drafting Dougie Hamilton last year, even though Couturier played very well this year.

But he had a big time chance to rectify that this year. He had a shot at a player he really shouldn’t have had a shot at. He had the ability to get Olli Maatta, a player who for all intents and purposes wasn’t higher simply because of an injury he suffered in the World Juniors. And what does he do? He picks a f*cking center again?

Philly is going to regret this. Especially since their divisional opponent Pittsburgh drafted him. Holmgren made a big mistake on that pick.

By: thisgamewelose

thisgamewelose — Sun, 24 Jun 2012 20:10:35 +0000

Staal went for an overpayment because the Hurricanes wanted him. Rumors had Rangers trying to get Jordan and Marc together, and Penguins asked for more because they had other options but wanted to do the right thing and send him to Car.

By: Steven_Leafs0

Steven_Leafs0 — Sun, 24 Jun 2012 19:02:38 +0000

gotta say Couturier, no matter how high some people may be rating him right now, is not enough to land Ryan IMO. If Anaheim only wants Ryan then Philadelphia should take it and run.

I can see why you think my proposed deal is an overpayment but considering what Staal went for I cannot see the price dropping too much from it.

By: blaze

blaze — Sun, 24 Jun 2012 18:25:55 +0000

Pretty sure Philly wouldn’t do Couts for Ryan straight up. That deal seems like an overpayment to me.

By: Steven_Leafs0

Steven_Leafs0 — Sun, 24 Jun 2012 16:43:12 +0000

With JVR gone, there is a hole on the wing. I think a move for Bobby Ryan would be a great idea. The question becomes what to give up, I think this would be a decent price (maybe too much but I think any less would not get it done).

To PHI:

Ryan

To ANA:

Couturier
Coburn
2013 1st round pick
rights to Carle

Here is why I think this deal works:

1) Philadelphia needs another scoring winger. With Jagr and JVR gone they have a big hole they need to fill and Ryan is a great upgrade to both of them.

2) Anaheim needs defensemen. Coburn is signed long term and fills into the 3/4 slot nicely, especially with Visnovski gone. Philadelphia also has an abundance of defense even with Pronger not on the roster. If they need more depth in the position they can always sign one.

3) Anaheim also gets a potential franchise player to replace Ryan in Couturier. It also give them a great 2nd line center they have been missing for a while.

4) finally the value of the deal is pretty good. Remembering what Staal went for:

Sutter
8th overall pick
Duboulin

Ryan is a better player (on average gets 10 more goals and 20 more points a season than Staal and is signed longer term which I will ignore since Staal is likely to sign in Carolina with his brother). So comparing the pieces:

Coburn 2012 8th overall pick
2013 1st round pick > Duboulin
rights to Carle has little to no trade value (6th round pick at best)

I think the deal works for everyone, Philadelphia upgrades their offense production and Anaheim gets a big young stud centerman, a solid 3/4 defenseman and a 1st round pick in a good draft.

What do you guys think?