Yeah gagner is rfa… And by the time Hopkins is rfa and time comes for a raise smyth is likely gone… As is hemsky and horcoff…. And with hemsky you can create a package worth a decent top four defenseman… Horcoff will most likely be a deadline trade or offseason trade to a team looking to reach cap floor… Still a good player with a slightly inflated cap hit….

Also I’m pretty sure the limit for rookie bonuses caps out at the 3.75 mil range… So yakupov making over 4 seems out of the question to me… I really see no need for desperation from him…. He’s got decent defensive depth but the problem becomes he has no offensive types making the difference… Barker is decent as is petry and peckham… Sitting is a Hal gill type… Teubert is slowly coming along … They only need to add one or two top 4 guys… A trade with Toronto might be worth looking at…throw hemsky maybe omark as well and take back lombardi and say schenn……something along those lines… Work out any fine details…

While I agree that they need defense much more than offense, they have to draft Yakupov unless of course they get a massive overpayment.

Also Gagner is a RFA not UFA, big difference for negotiations.

And you think Tambo’s not desperate for defense thier best defensemen Ryan Whitney who only played 51 games and is a -16 is making 4million and the next best guy after that Shultz and his -12 and 7pts. Yep no reason to worry. Beacuse after those to you have Smid and his 15 pts (+5) and petry 25(-7)and barker who’s a UFA Tuebert is still green and after that there’s nobody coming up in there system.

The oilers have no Organizatinal depth other then hall, eberle,hopkins, hemsky, paarjarvi who’s still only 2o years old. At this point Omark is a complete bust who at a smallish 5’9 is 25,26 years old, i don’t think he’ll be lighting it up any time soon unless they now award points for shoot outs. haha!

so unless Tambo is willing to part with any of the above to land a top 4 then i’d say hes pretty desperate.And with ganger also a UFA and the UFA Market being really thin this year. It makes all the diiference in the world.

So while i agree that he’ll likely keep his pick I’m not so sure he can unless he wants to pick first overall again this time next year.

Thanks for the debate TimTheBone been pretty good no matter what happens at the draft i’ll deffinitly be looking forward to it and the Aftermath

Cheers

I’ll say it again for many reasons I just don’t see any deals being made for the top 5 picks…. Everyone selects in their current position..

Gm’s around the league know that Tambo can’t afford to keep all his first round picks, And all th gm’s know that he’s desperate for top 4 D-men.

While it is a nice postion to be in,because he will get that guy should he make the deal to trade down,I just don’t see Tambo getting what he’s asking for, And when has you ever seen a Gm throw away the organizations top young player or prospect just for the first overall pick, it doesn’t happen. especailly since Yakupov has yet to even play in the NHL. Now we all know he probably will,But not all 1st overall picks live up to the hype so its a gamble for any Gm to give up that much.Only Franchise player ie. Stamkos,Crosby,Ovechikin,Weber,Doughty will get those kinds of top prospects/players in a deal cause you know what your getting return.

Besides i believe the path to the first overall pick would be made in seperate deals. Now after the first overall pick the next 4 players Grigerenko,Forsberg,Murray and Galchenyuk can go anywhere from 2 to 5 (which is kinda like picking 2nd anyways since you going to get a good player anyways).But what i believe could be a possiblity is BB using that 5th pick and possibly Franson or Gunnarson and/or our 2nd pick moving up to the 2nd overall pick.

Now the we would have the 2nd pick we could use to move up to the 1st probably 2nd and Shenn as it wouldn’t cost as much and Edmonton could either move down and pick Ryan Murray or the could use that to move down further and possibly trade for another top 4 D-man. If Burke is truly trying to hit a home run and getting these players i haveto believethe Kessel or Lupol would also have to be involved in another seperate deal but that’s another senario altogether.

So unless BB has a Milbury moment (see Yasin draft day trade)your right I don’t see Tambo Getting what he wants and i don’t BB setting back the leafs another 5 years to get the 1st overall pick.

But I do agree that Columbus will not be trading to 1st overall, and if they wanted to they sure as hell would have to offer more than the 31st overall pick. Last thing Columbus wants to do is give up a major asset like Johansen just because they lost the lottery IMO.

And your right, that deal from the Leafs is missing a key piece, despite the fact that the 5th and 2nd overall picks could really help Columbus, the Leafs need to offer more.

That being said if I am Columbus I would try hard to get the 5th overall pick from Toronto, if most of the talk is correct and the Islanders are 100% drafting a defenseman then Columbus can draft Murray with the 2nd overall, Montreal likely picks Galchenyuk, the Islanders then pick one of Reinhart, Reilly, or Dumba, and Columbus gets Forsberg with the 5th overall (the player I believe they would draft 2nd overall if they don’t trade for the 5th pick).

So lets say the deal end up being Nash for Kulemin, Schenn, 5th overall, Armstrong (like raser posted), then add: Colborne and Rynass, and with the 2nd and 5th picks Columbus picks Murray & Forsberg respectively that means Columbus ends up with:

Kulemin (decent PWF, no where near Nash but they cannot get a Nash like player back anyway)
Schenn (solid 3/4 defensive D-man, if he returns to the potential we saw in season 1 then a possible 2/3 D-man)
Forsberg/Murray (depending how you look at it, getting the 5th pick allows Columbus to pick Murray earlier and still end up with Forsberg the guy they were picking anyway)
Colborne (excellent big no.1 center prospect, Columbus needs one and this is a good way to potentially get one)
Rynass (cannot have too many goalie prospects, especially if you are Columbus)

If for some reason the Islanders pick Forsberg because he is the best player available, then Columbus can think about trading down the 5th overall pick for the 7th-10th pick and a nice asset.

Second thing is that package for Rick nash won’t work… It’s not even close to howson’s asking price… And while howson may not actually get what he’s asking for based on its ludicrousy… Schenn and kulimen and the 5th ( which according to your scenario is flipped for two mid first rounders) isn’t close to a viable counter offer… Kulimen can’t re-coup nashs impact on the team… Schenn is a solid mid pairing dman… Armstrong is third line winger with grit and the ability to move up the lineup invade of injury but its most likely him to be injured and his contract isn’t a great one…

Also I just don’t see CLB wanting that first overall pick.. they are free from the pressure of selecting another Russian… 2nd is a much nicer place for them

1. Columbus (from Edm)…. Yakupov
2. Edmonton (from Cbs)…. Murray
3. Montreal ………….. Grigorenko
4. NY Islanders ………. Bumba
5. Washington ………… Foresburg
6. Anahiem …………… Galchenyuk

Edmonton will trade down to the 2nd overall pic for 31st overall pick (rd.2)

Columbus then will trade the 5th overall pick (Tor) to the Washington Capitals for the 11th and 16th overall picks

Toronto will Trade the 5th overall pick along with Luke Schenn, Kulemin, Armstrong (Salary Dump) to Columbus for Rick Nash