MantaRay Power Rankings for 11/30/03

“”Welcome to week #6 of MantaRay Power Rankings.

This ranking includes all games played through Saturday, November 29nd.

(The ranking in parenthesis reflects how each team finished the previous week).


Top Ten:

-Philadelphia earns their #1 spot

-Av’s coming on strong

-PREDS???? first time ever in the Elite

Middle of Pack:

-Thrasher drop out of elite

-Ranger$ and Stars climb out of the barrel

-Oilers slip several spots

Bottom of the Barrel:

-Islanders sending out an SOS

-Canes & Sharks improve

-Pens now officially the worst team in the NHL 1 (2) Philadelphia Flyers:

Hitchcock has Philly (2-0-1) excelling at every part of the game: #1 GFA, #3 GAA, #1 PP, #2PK and undefeated in November (10-0-2) lead by Hitchcock’s #1 D-man Kim Johnsson (1G/10A +9 in last 12).

2 (3) New Jersey Devils:

NJ (1-1-1) has unbeaten streak ended at 13 (10-0-3) by former Devils Guerin/Arnott. Stevens the toughest defensemen of our generation breaks record for games played by D-man. Langenbrunner (knee) out for next few games possibly more.

3 (4) St.Louis Blues:

Blues (1-1-1) have 3 game unbeaten streak ended along with Demitra’s 9 game point streak (5G/9A). Jackman (shoulder) comes back too early and back on IR. Blues are 6-3-1 in last 10 with Osgood (2.17 GAA/.917% SVP) holding down the fort while Tkachuk, Mellanby and Weight were out.

4 (7) Colorado Avalanche:

Av’s (2-1) offense coming together in recent weeks (7-0-2 in last 10) lead by Sakic (3G/4A in last 5) who is establishing some chemistry with Selanne (2G/2A in last 5). While offense thrives, defense is still shaky (allowing 33 SOGA in last 3) . Forsberg skating today will determine progress.

5 (1) Tampa Bay Lightning:

Tampa (0-2-2) dropping of recent (4-3-3 last 10) are the only team in the NHL not to lose a player to injury this season. Opposition teams learning to stop Tampa all you have to do is stop Martin St.Louis. As Bolts go on the road look for teams to shadow St.Louis (1 shot per game in last 3 games) even more. No one else picking up the slack.

6 (6) Vancouver Canucks:

Canucks (2-1-1) got spanked twice by Toronto but beat others on their Canadian tour. Naslund (3A’s last night) takes over scoring lead in NHL (11G/22A) and +/- category (+18). Bryan Allen earning more playing time with strong physical play as his playing time has increased to close to 16 minutes a game and playing with more confidence.

7 (9) Detroit Red Wings:

Who needs a mulitmillion $$ goalie??? Wings (3-1) climbing back into race on the shoulder pads of Manny Legace (3-1, 1.25GAA, .941% SVP, 1SO in last 5). Team is 7-2-1 since Steve Thomas (5G/2A +6) joined the team. Fisher (1G/6A -3) still struggling to gain 2001 form.

8 (5) Boston Bruins:

Boston (0-1-0-1) is slumping (1-2-0-2 in last 5) with a 3 game losing streak. Bostons D is not giving much support allowing #18 SOGA (28.8) and having the #27 PK unit. Calder watch: Patrice Bergeron (5G/3A +3) plays all-around solid game especially for an 18 year old.

9 (19) Nashville Predators:

PRED ALERT: for the first time in MRPR history Preds (4-0!!!) make the Elite squad and are 8-2 in their last 10 games. I warned you weeks ago about the Vowel line (Orszagh-7G/3A +7; Erat-3G/8A +6; Arkipov-2G/4A +5 in last 10) but its the Pred’s physical players (McKenzie, Walker, Tootoo, Hartnell, Brookbank, Allison) making skating room for the European skaters.

10 (15) Toronto Maple Leafs:

Leafs (3-0) have a 4 game winning streak (5-2-2-1 in last 10). All forward lines contributing with strong team effort and has already strenghted an already strong defense/goaltending . Calder Watch: Matthew Stajan (1G/2A +4 in last 4) has been a huge factor in Leaf turn around especially since Mogilny went down.

11 (10) Atlanta Thrashers:

“Hartley’s Boys (2-2) are now in first place (12-9-3-1) in the Southeast Division after win last night. Although the D has improved (#5 on the PK) under Hartley, they are still allowing too many scoring opportunites (#17 28.2 SOGA) and only Nurminen’s strong play has made them a top team. Forwards (Kozlov -8, Vigier -6, Santala -6) need help out a little more if team wants to hold on to first.

12 (8) Los Angeles Kings:

LA (1-2) loses another player as Laperriere (concussion) joins Palffy, Stumpel, Armstrong, Allison, Aulin, Deadmarsh and Brad Norton on the IR list. Rookie Mike Cammalleri (3G/2A in last 5) making the most of the injuries at center.

13 (21) Dallas Stars:

Stars (3-0) coming alive since the return of Lehtinen (team is 6-1-1 when the Selke winner is in the line-up). Impressive win over NJ builds confidence. Turco (4-1, 1.21GAA, .946% SVP, 1SO in last 5) regaining form. Dallas defense ranks #6th in limiting opponents scoring opportunities (23.8 SOGA), but the loss of Boucher (eye socket) hurts.

14 (14) Calgary Flames:

Flames (0-1-0-1) holding steady. The Flames still have to employ a defense first system with their forwards to make up for young and error prone D-men. This system has allowed the least amount of scoring opportunities in the NHL (22.8 SOG per game), but has killed their offensive output (# 21–2.29 GFA–Iginla only 4 goals this season). Without the talent this is the only way the Flames can win games.

15 (22) New York Rangers:

Don’t look now, but the Ranger$ (3-0-1) are winning hockey games. During the last 5 games the line of Holik (1G/4A +7 and FOW: 61%) Rucinsky (4G/5A +7) and Kovalev (1G/7A +5) look like one of leagues strongest all-around lines. Sather looking like a genius in acquiring Markkanen (3-0-1, 1.36 GAA, .952% SVP in last 5) from the Oilers for the rights to Brian Leetch.

16 (12) Ottawa Senators:

Can’t stop the slide in Ottawa (1-2-0-2) as the Sens have lost 4 of 5 and have gone 4-7-2-2 in its last 15. The Sens have only scored the first goal in 6 games this season (worst in the league). The Sens have been living off their PP (#5) which accounts to almost 40% of their scoring which ranks them #27 for even strength play. There is too much talent for this.

17 (16) Buffalo Sabres:

Sabres (2-2) have lost 4 straight road games. Buffalos ranks #22 on the PP with no productivity from their blueline: (only 1PPG/8PPA in 25 games). Highest ranking Sabre defensemen: Zhitnik (1G/8A) ranks #49 in the league. Kalinin and Delmore have been major dissappointments.

18 (11) Edmonton Oilers:

Edmonton (0-2-1) playing frostbitten and have a 4 game winless streak (0-3-1). Salo back this week and Oates had 11 FOW (of 16) in 16 mintues of play last night. Jason Smith (2G/7A +11) is one of the most underrated D-men in the game.

19 (17) Montreal Canadiens:

Habs (1-1-1) continue to lose ground after an impressive start to the season (5-2-0-0). Ex-Devil Souray leads NHL defensemen in goals (8). Ryder (2G/1A in last 4) and Daigenous (1G/1A in 3) looking to help slumping Montreal.

20 (18) Anaheim Mighty Ducks:

Anaheim (1-0-1) is Federov’s team: The Ducks are 8-2-1-1 when Sergei has a point, and 0-5-2-4 when he does not. No team has squandered opportunity like the Ducks who have allowed the 5th most GA in the third period (22GA) while scoring the 2nd worst (12GF). The Ducks lead the NHL in OTL. Not a sign of a good team.

21 (13) New York Islanders:

As the “Mike must go” chant comes back to Nassau, the Isles (0-3) have now lost 5 in a row and in the post-Wiemer era are (2-8) and still playing deflated and confused and have only scored 4 goals in 5 games including 2 SO’s and a stretch of 134 minutes without a goal. Now reports have started about Peca to Toronto. Milbury must have failed in Chemistry as a youth.

22 (26) San Jose Sharks:

Ron Wilson continues to wield illusions with the patchwork/bargin basement talented Sharks (2-0). After starting the season 1-5-4, SJ is now 5-1-3-1 in there last 10. Tolskala (3-0-1, 1.26GAA, .957% SVP in last 5) has been a major reason. The Sharks PK unit (rank #18) has not allowed a PPG in 5 straight games (18 of 18). Without much fanfare Marco Sturm (6G/2A in last 8) is having a good year.

23 (23) Phoenix Coyotes:

The sun is setting in Phoenix (1-2) who have been inconsistent all year. The Yotes the 4th worst defense in the NHL allowing almost 31 shots against per game and its killing Sean Burke (2-2-1, 4.01GAA, .867% SVP in last 5). The only bright spots this season: Ladislav Nagy (13G/12A +7) and on the defensive end the only steadfast warrior on the blueline: Cale Hulse (1G/5A +12, 50 PIM).

24 (20) Minnesota Wild:

The Wild’s (0-2) poor play has to be driving Jacque Lemaire nuts. Minny has lost 4 straight and they have only scored 5 goals in those games. Gaborik (2G/3A in 11 games) has only 9 goals in his last 54 regular season games which is not what Doug Risebrough signed for. Willie Mitchell joins Bouchard, Johnson and Chouinard on the Injury list.

25 (25) Florida Panthers:

Florida (1-1-2) looks like Dudley will finish the season behind the bench for Florida (with Ludzik running practices). Lou Lamoriello has told Florida it will give its permission to allow Devils assistant coach Larry Robinson to interview for the Panthers job, but Dudley appears to be stalling.

26 (29) Carolina Hurricanes:

Canes (2-1-1) had back-to-back shut-outs for Weekes this week as the Canes get back to defense. Carolina is notorious for their slow starts and have only scored 8 goals in the first period (#29). They also have the 24th “best” special teams: (#27PP/#21PK). Vrbata learning to shoot more.

27 (24) Columbus Bluejackets:

Jackets (0-2-1) slip back into the gloom. Rick Nash (2nd in the NHL in goals-15) and David Vyborny (9G/5A) have scored close to 50% of the Jackets goals!!! Where are the goals from the big names with the big contracts???? Where is goal production from Sanderson (4), Cassels (3), Sydor (2), and even Marchant (3)?? These guys should hand their paychecks to the kids.

28 (27) Chicago Blackhawks:

The ChickenHawks (0-3) continue to sacrifice the season in an effort to save money. They are currently 0-7-1-2 in their last 10 with no hope in sight. The team ranks #28 in defense allowing 31 SOG a game, the ChickenHawks have the 22nd best special teams (#28PP/#17PK). Alot of young, wasted talent on this team. A smart GM should pluck Arnasen, Calder and Bell away from this fetid organization.

29 (30) Washington Capitals:

Caps (2-2) coming around after Jagr rumors return. Jagr is on an 11 game scoring streak (5G/13A +7) and Lang continues his rapid tear (15 game scoring streak–11G/11A +8) and with new linemate Bondra (hat trick last night) this line could win more games. IF Kolzig can get his game back the Caps COULD be a contender, but Kolzig appears at the end of his days as an elite goalie.

30 (28) Pittsburgh Penguins:

The Wilkes-Barre Bunch (0-2-1) doesn’t have much to brag about. They are 2-6-1-1 in their last 10, they have the NHL’s worst defense, allowing almost 34 shots a game–as a result the worst GAA (3.45) and have the worst PP in the league (10.4%) and the team has a +/- of -167. This team is a mess and probably Portland bound.

32 Responses to MantaRay Power Rankings for 11/30/03

  1. distance7 says:

    Well I agree Nashville is a top ten team…I just wanted them to stay under the radar so they don’t notice that they’re doing good…you know, stay motivated to win. I don’t want my team jinxed, but as long as Vokoun is Vokoun and they don’t turn into babies who back away from physical play like past years, they’ll be fine. Go Preds.

  2. Lynchmob450 says:

    I thought i heard Fosberg will be having surgery for his hernia? They were saying he’s out for 2-3 months. If that is the case, the Avs should drop further. As for #1 Philly, i still see the Devils as #1 (West Coast trips are often killers…they’ll come out of this one smelling like roses). And the Maplelaughs shouldn’t be taken seriously at all. They should be renamed the Maplesucks!!

  3. JonnyBoomBoom says:

    They have played how many road games so far? They havent lost in how many games? Your comment shouldnt be taken seriously because obviously your an idiot.

  4. Bishop7979 says:

    How is chicago above both washington and pittsburgh after going 0-3 this week. Washington has gone 2-2, one win going against detroit and Pittsburghs last four games have have included a tie against your number one team and a win against Ottawa.

  5. mikster says:

    I’ll be lenient with the Preds since i like them, but 10 slots up? Wow. Nice Christmas present to Preds fans from Manta there.

    I say the Stanley Cup finals will be Blues vs Flyers.

    Rangers played pretty well tonight against a lucky Leafs team. Dunham looked way too rusty, not ready to come back, Markkanen will most like play the next game.

    I am thrilled with the Holik line. Thrilled with the 4th line, thrilled with the Messier line, but upset with the Nedved line and Lindros. Those guys just can’t play together, period. Carter definitely loses a spot. I want Jagr to play with Nedved and Hlavac. Rangers will have three lines with chemistry.

    Where does that leave Lindros though?

    Florida will get a coach. It took Waddell about 3 weeks to hire Hartley, it’ll take Dudley some time as well.

    Dudley can definitely stay behind the bench though. Ever since he’s been in there the offense is playing with confidence, especially Weiss. Keenan was destroying the young offensive talents. Yeah Jokinen and Bouwmeester…blah blah blah. Give him credit for that, but the Kats are playing .500 hockey ever since he left, which was under .500 hockey.

  6. comrie44 says:

    Markus Naslund has really improved his defense, leading the scoring race and the +/-?!

    Peter Forsberg better return soon or his “best 2-way player” tag could be in jeopardy, me thinks.

  7. Petr89 says:

    Hate to burst your bubble, but St. Louis is not going to be in the stanley cup finals. Depth at D, injury problems, and suspect goaltending will, once again, derail them in the playoffs. Osgood does not win series on his own, and this team is not good enough to win without a difference-maker. Plus, look at the history: St. Louis has the leagues longest streak of making the playoffs, I think its over twenty years. How many cups has this playoff machine won?

  8. clamity8u says:

    woo hoo!

    as a ‘nucks fan, it warms my heart to hear people talk like that! 🙂

    Truth be told, Nazzy, Bert, and Mo and just taking due dilligence in defense now – as in they’re more conscious of the fact they actually need to get their butts back!

    Forsberg is the best 2-way player hands down, as much as it pains me to say so. Nazzy will never be out on the PK. In fact, he’ll probably one on the last players Crow will throw out there. Good thing those Canucks are loaded with PK-type players. Linden, Cooke, Arvedson, Morrison, Chubarov even Ruutu!

  9. RangerSteve says:

    Even though they had a set back against Toronto tonight, I still like the way the Rangers are playing. Markkanen has been a steal from the “Leetch Trade” with Edmonton. Rucinsky-Holik-Kovalev has been great, like many have stated above, but I still don’t like Eric Lindros at all. This guy I think was much better off centering the 4th line(Scott/Lundmark-Ortmeyer) instead of playing on Nedved and Hlavac’s right side. Unlike other teams past, the Rangers were disappointed with the loss. They head into TO on Tuesday, head out to the Island to take on the Fishsticks, then go back home for a Sunday game with TB…should be very interesting how they respond after a loss. I think they’ve done pretty well after getting a shlacking at the hands of the devils.

  10. RangerSteve says:

    I couldn’t agree more. I just can’t picture St. Louis going past the 2nd round, let alone the 1st. I still think that at some point the trade which sent Stillman to TB will hurt them in the long run. The guy is lighting it up if I recall correctly.

  11. shootinglicense says:

    i agree with most of the rankings, although i feel the leafs are a little high…

    but i disagree strongly with washington, pittsbugh and chicago being 28, 29, and 30th, respectively.

    they should be lower, much lower.

  12. gr8haluschak says:

    That is right they have suspect goaltending hmmm, yeah Osgood has the 4th best winning % (.628) of goalies withtheir first 500 desicions only behind Plante, Moog and Brodeur, and the 2 cup rings as well, but that is suspect goaltending. and as for depth at D what are you talking about because come playoff time they have the best depthin the NHL yeah Pronger, Macinnis, Jackman, Barron, Finley, Salvadore, Khavanov, but that is poor that I don’t know how they will make due. The fact is if it was not for the Flu running through them at playoff time they would have beat the Canucks (they were up 3-1 when it hit them, Pronger, Mellanby, Demitra out added to the fact Macinnis was hurt too).

  13. jon95616 says:

    I have to disagree with your comments about Anaheim.

    4 on 4 overtime is a joke…its just something the league did for the fans. There are a lot less ties than there used to be and these overtimes could go either way. I dont think losing in wide open 4 on 4 hockey which doesnt exist during the playoffs would show that Anaheim is not a good team. There playing a lot better lately and are a legitimate playoff team.

  14. MantaRay says:

    At the time this was written it was still undetermined if he would need hernia surgery. He was supposed to skate yesterday morning to determine if progress had been made in the healing process. Eitherway, a team can’t drop because of an injury. The Av’s are still winning and this is based on results.

    Philly is still ahead of the Devils in the standings.

    Don’t dismiss the way the Leafs are playing right now. They look like they are serious contenders.

  15. MantaRay says:

    Because Chicago started off the season better than both Wash/Pitt. It has only been since the firing of Doug Smith and the injury to Thibault that the Hawks began their decsent.

    These rankings are based on the season, not just the week.

  16. MantaRay says:


    Its not a gift for the Pred’s to move up they are one of the hottest teams in the league (8-2) so they earned their spot.

    I have been talking them up for weeks, but it usually takes 2 weeks of consistent effort to move in the rankings…which they have…and then some.


    Because of the mounting financial losses for the Panthers and the fact that they are still responsible for paying Keenan and also their previous coach. There have been some rumblings that they will not hire a coach this season in an effort to save money before the lockout.

    Robinson is ready and eager for the job, but Dudley seems to be stalling after recieving approval from the Devils. Hence the speculation.

  17. MantaRay says:

    If I could move them down more, I would…believe me all three are an embaressment to the league.

  18. MantaRay says:

    My point was not about overtime, but the fact that the Ducks seem to collapse in the third period and lack the killer instinct of a winning team.

    Yes, they are playing better, but they should have won alot more games. Which was my point.

    The Ducks will struggle to make they playoffs if they continue to fold late in games.

  19. Petr89 says:

    Come on, everybody knows Osgood is not an elite goaltender. Yeah, he’s got a great winning percentage, but he got 80% of those wins playing for the wings uber-team. And make that one stanley cup ring: do you remember how many minutes he played to “earn” the first one? Seriously, since his departure from the wings the guy has posted seasons boasting these stats: 2.5 GAA, .910 SP (OK), and 2.95 GAA .892 SP (awful). He is not an elite goalie. He may have the most wins on Tuesdays in February, but stats can easily give the wrong impression.

    As for defense, listing off the 7 guys who play for the team doesn’t mean that they’re good. Pronger does seem to be back to his old self, and Jackman, by all accounts, is for real, but Macinnis can’t see, and the rest of those guys are place holders. Not a bad unit, but not great.

    Macinnis is always hurt, and the team as a whole seems rather injury prone. Also, there seems to be a whole host of guys on the team that tend to make stupid decisions at bad times. Tkachuk, Jackman, and even Pronger can be gotten off their games and will take bad penalties. And any Wings fan will remind you of Osgood’s maddening habit of letting in floaters from the red line.

    Anyway, this team has not had the flu for the past 20 post-seasons. They simply don’t get it done in the playoffs.

    P.S. They’re a one line team up front. Weight and Cajanek have got no one to pass to.

  20. gr8haluschak says:

    Are you stupid, yeah because Osgood must be such a crappy goalie and he must have fluked out those 500 games yeah that is right. Oh but also Osgood is the ONLY goalie that let in shots from the RED LINE (yeah guys like Potvin, Salo, Turco, Roy NEVER did that right), what happened when he did that against the STars in the 98 playoff – oh yeah he stole the next game and the series for them. It may be me but that seems a good way to redeem yourself. How many times did it take Vernon to win the Cup in Detroit ?

    Pronger Macinnis Jackman Khavanov Salvadore Baron and Finley but yeah that D is not that good, NAME ME A TEAM THAT WOULDN’T LOVE TO HAVE those players as their D

    As well Cajanek and Weight have no one to pass too that is absolutely right who is Pavol Demitra and Keith Tkachuk I have never seen these guys score a goal, has anyone else ? But they must be a one line team. How many assists does Weight have ? oh yeah but he has no one to pass too and remember he cannot score right.

    And if you were literate you would have been able to read that I said the major reason they lost LAST YEAR was the fact that the Flu hit them going into game 6

  21. defenestrate says:

    ’80’s “Hair Metal” – gotta love it.

    I believe it has been well-established that the Avs can win without Forsberg in years past. In fact, for a team with no less than 7 injuries right now, and an “unproven” goaltending tandem, they seem to be just peachy, thanks for asking.

  22. Stuv_Dogg says:

    Ha ha ha. That’s friggin’ hilarious. Maplelaughs!!! Maplesucks!!! How about Mapledorks, Mapledweebs, and Maplegeeks??? Oh, how drole!

    How about first place in the Northeast, that’s goddam funny as well. How about most road games in the league thus far and first place in the Northeast?? Damn, that’s a good one! All this after playing most of the preseason in Sweden and Finland!! Haa! How about having their top offensive player out, and on a five game winning streak? I’m gonna wet myself!

    How about you’re a Leaf-hating wannabe, who seems to know a thing or two about hockey, but who can’t be taken seriously because of your obvious biases that you just can’t seem to get over.

    Now that’s a good one!

  23. Petr89 says:

    Although I’m not sure Vernon has much to do with it, he and Osgood shared goaltending duty throughout the regular season for 2 years, and, come playoff time, Scotty Bowman (he was a coach who won a couple games) played Vernon because he gave the Wings a better shot to win than your man Osgood.

    If you really insist on pretending that Macinnis is going to play this year, I’d still take the defensive line-up of Detroit, NY Islanders, Canucks, New Jersey, Colorado, and arguments could be made for several others. But, since you wrote it in all capitals, you probably are right.

    I added the last comment in the above post just to bug you, but it is true. Weight has 10 assists, and, if you look closely, 8 of them are on the power play. That would indicate to me that the majority of his points have been scored while playing on the top PP unit with Demitra and Tkachuk. The Blues top line is Tkachuk-Demitra-Mellanby. You may notice that the two guys you mentioned above that Weight and Cajanek can pass to don’t play on his line for the majority of the game. Demitra and Tkachuk alone have accounted for over 1/3 of the teams goals. Ergo, the Blues are a one line team.

    As far as literacy is concerned, I believe this is a case of the pot calling the kettle black. My comment was that, “The Blues have not had the flu for the past 20 seasons. They simply don’t get it done in the post-season.” I know this a rather cryptic statement, but let me decipher it for you. It’s basically saying that this team has a long history of losing in the playoffs and, while the flu may be used as an excuse for last years implosion, the length and consistency of their losing history would indicate that there is a deeper problem.

  24. bruinfan37 says:

    “How about you’re a Leaf-hating wannabe, who seems to know a thing or two about hockey, but who can’t be taken seriously because of your obvious biases that you just can’t seem to get over.”

    Ummm, what about your bias??? Any team can go on a 5 game winning streak. Hell, Pittsburgh will go on some sort of winning streak this year. Its the teams that play consistent that get the recognition (not the Leafs)

  25. Stuv_Dogg says:

    Your comment considered. However, my bias shows in a positive, non-insulting (apart from the bit that you quoted above), non-hating (see above) way, and nobody, apart from the odd Leaf-hater, gets insulted.

    I don’t particularly mind biases, hell we’re all fans of one team/player or another, its what the sport is all about. But to take a hit at another team when that team is hot makes you look stupid. My point wasn’t to show how good the Leafs are or aren’t, just to illustrate how stupid the comment was.

    I don’t know if I’d call the Pens one game winning streak a streak per say …

  26. Lynchmob450 says:

    George Lynch is still a master with the axe!! (Dokken still sings like a girl…but sometimes it works…ie. Alone Again, Heaven Sent)

  27. Lynchmob450 says:

    How about accepting the Leafs have been OVERrated for years because of the CENTER-OF-THE-WORLD mentality that comes out of Toronto’s media? Lets just admit one thing…the #1 hockey city in the world is NOT Toronto…its Montreal. And the #1 organization that all team would love to copy is NOT the Maplebarfs but the Canadiens. Speak up, you stupid Mapleassholes!!!

  28. defenestrate says:

    But does he still have the “tiger-stripe” ‘do? And is Dokken still trying to hide his incipient male pattern baldness?

  29. Stuv_Dogg says:

    Ah ha ha ha ha ha haaaa! Forget you medication this morning, Shorty? Or are you just pissed that your Flyers got man-handled by an underachieving Ottawa team last night? Ah ha ha ha ha ha ha ha haaa!

    First things first. Toronto is the center of the hockey world. We have the best team in the world, the best players, players love coming here and so on and so on.

    Now to get serious. I don’t mind you arguing that Toronto isn’t the center of the hockey universe, but don’t argue that Montreal is. Toronto and Montreal have similar histories, so I don’t think you can put one above another. How about attendance? Well, from ESPN’s website, Toronto draws an average of 19,261 per home game while Montreal draws an average of 19,821. While a dullard like you might think that Montreal has the edge here, consider that the capacity of the ACC is 18,826 while the capacity of 21,268 – let me break it down simple for you and say that the Leafs have more fans at their games than they have seats in the building while the Canadiens have empty seats. Ever tried to get Leafs tix? Forget about it. Canadiens tix? Last time I looked they come free in the bottom of boxes of Corn Flakes. Play in Toronto? Welcome to the microscope. Play in Montreal? Nous avons une equipe? (We have a team? Excuse my French).

    Let’s see what else. Hockey Hall of Fame? Gee, I think that’s in Toronto. Hockey Night in CANADA? Gee, don’t they usually cover the Leafs, or is that just in Toronto?

    See, Skippy, maybe you can argue that Toronto isn’t the center of the hockey universe, but not in favour of Montreal. Detroit, maybe, New York, I’d consider, but not Montreal.

    Have yourself a wonderful snowy Tuesday!

  30. Lynchmob450 says:

    Toronto has a similar history to what the Habs have experienced?? It’s obvious you’re delusional. I don’t think the MapleScum have been to 24 Stanley Cup Finals!!!!

    As for Detroit, they’re definitelt well AHEAD of you SUCKERS in TO!!!

    And the Rangers?? Well…its nice to think America’s version of the Center of the World would be considered.

    Mange la merde mon petit chien!!!

  31. MAniac29 says:

    What the hell kind of statistic is a taems combined plus/minus???

    Goal differential is the stat you are looking for, what the hell would you add everyone’s minus’ up for??? That makes no sense….

  32. NateDogg says:

    So you think the Toronto is going to win the Stanley cup this year. I would like to see them try, because they won’t get it. The Red Wing’s are going to win it. But i think that Toronto is going to make it in to the play offs but there not going to come out on top.

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