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	<title>Comments on: Maple Leafs likely to pass on Rick Nash, pitch for Roberto Luongo</title>
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		<title>By: reinjosh</title>
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		<dc:creator>reinjosh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Jun 2012 01:08:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Well to be honest I don&#039;t know a ton about him like some other guys but I just don&#039;t see the &quot;number 1 guy&quot; thing with him. If management thinks he does, well then I have no issue taking him. I&#039;m with you, I don&#039;t want another blueliner really unless he has some high high potential. 

I also think I see it as this draft being so deep with defensive talent. I think we might almost be better off moving back a couple picks, drafting a guy who has similar upside but longer development and getting extra assets. 

Clearly I want a blue chip guy but if the forwards are gone, I&#039;m not so high on Murray that I wouldn&#039;t consider trading back at this point. 

And I&#039;d consider the pick as trade bait as well.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well to be honest I don&#8217;t know a ton about him like some other guys but I just don&#8217;t see the &#8220;number 1 guy&#8221; thing with him. If management thinks he does, well then I have no issue taking him. I&#8217;m with you, I don&#8217;t want another blueliner really unless he has some high high potential. </p>
<p>I also think I see it as this draft being so deep with defensive talent. I think we might almost be better off moving back a couple picks, drafting a guy who has similar upside but longer development and getting extra assets. </p>
<p>Clearly I want a blue chip guy but if the forwards are gone, I&#8217;m not so high on Murray that I wouldn&#8217;t consider trading back at this point. </p>
<p>And I&#8217;d consider the pick as trade bait as well.</p>
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		<title>By: mojo19</title>
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		<dc:creator>mojo19</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Jun 2012 00:35:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Ya fair enough. Good comparison with Schenn. NHL ready at 18 doesn&#039;t necessarily translate into star.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ya fair enough. Good comparison with Schenn. NHL ready at 18 doesn&#8217;t necessarily translate into star.</p>
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		<title>By: leafs_wallace93</title>
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		<dc:creator>leafs_wallace93</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 17 Jun 2012 23:01:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Josh I&#039;ll give you that, you&#039;re the prospect guy on these boards and if the Wolves are having a bad year I ignore juniors. 

I don&#039;t want another blueliner in the system but if Murray is kicking around at 5 he&#039;d make great trade bait.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Josh I&#8217;ll give you that, you&#8217;re the prospect guy on these boards and if the Wolves are having a bad year I ignore juniors. </p>
<p>I don&#8217;t want another blueliner in the system but if Murray is kicking around at 5 he&#8217;d make great trade bait.</p>
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		<title>By: reinjosh</title>
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		<dc:creator>reinjosh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 17 Jun 2012 21:45:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[See that&#039;s my issue with him. I don&#039;t actually think he has franchise blueliner potential. I like him, but I don&#039;t think his upside is higher than a guy like Dumba/Trouba/Reinhart.

He&#039;s getting the Schenn treatment. He&#039;s a solid guy that can jump into the NHL right away, but his upside is limited. 

At least that&#039;s what I see from him. Who knows, maybe I&#039;m wrong.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>See that&#8217;s my issue with him. I don&#8217;t actually think he has franchise blueliner potential. I like him, but I don&#8217;t think his upside is higher than a guy like Dumba/Trouba/Reinhart.</p>
<p>He&#8217;s getting the Schenn treatment. He&#8217;s a solid guy that can jump into the NHL right away, but his upside is limited. </p>
<p>At least that&#8217;s what I see from him. Who knows, maybe I&#8217;m wrong.</p>
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		<title>By: reinjosh</title>
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		<dc:creator>reinjosh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 17 Jun 2012 21:44:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[They go through cycles of despair and joy. It&#039;s the Leaf fan version of premenstrual stress.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>They go through cycles of despair and joy. It&#8217;s the Leaf fan version of premenstrual stress.</p>
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		<title>By: mojo19</title>
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		<dc:creator>mojo19</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 17 Jun 2012 18:24:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Bryzgalov was nominated for a Vezina too, but I wouldn&#039;t pick up his shitty contract either. He&#039;s really not that great of a goalie either. He&#039;s average. Don&#039;t be fooled by &quot;names&quot; boys.

You guys are good guys, but you either don&#039;t watch the games, or you don&#039;t have a great eye for goaltending.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bryzgalov was nominated for a Vezina too, but I wouldn&#8217;t pick up his shitty contract either. He&#8217;s really not that great of a goalie either. He&#8217;s average. Don&#8217;t be fooled by &#8220;names&#8221; boys.</p>
<p>You guys are good guys, but you either don&#8217;t watch the games, or you don&#8217;t have a great eye for goaltending.</p>
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		<title>By: mojo19</title>
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		<dc:creator>mojo19</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 17 Jun 2012 18:19:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Hedberg is better than Luongo based on their play the last two seasons. Its as simple as that. You&#039;re listing Luongo&#039;s accomplishments but ignoring his actual play. Hedberg has always been an awesome goalie. The one advantage to Lu over Johan is that Luongo can handle a much bigger work load. For that reason, Luongo gets the advantage, but in terms of quality goaltending, Lu is just not as good.

As for Tim Thomas, don&#039;t believe everything you read and hear. Thomas is sticking it to his bosses, not stressing out. Thomas&#039; no trade clause is lifted after July 1st and he wants to control his fate. By announcing he&#039;s taking a year off he takes the leverage out of Boston&#039;s hands and puts it back into his own. Pretty smart move by a pretty smart guy.

Obviously Thomas is a better goalie than anyone who might be available (the only guy who even comes close is Kipper, who would cost an arm and a leg if he&#039;s even available at all.) So I can&#039;t imagine anyone would complain if were able to sign Thomas for nothing. I&#039;m hoping Boston will buy him out. Before Burke makes any moves he should at least wait until after the buy out period.

I wouldn&#039;t pick up Luongo off waivers. I would trade Komisarek and Armstrong for Luongo and two 1sts, that would be my demands if I were running the Leafs. If Gillis doesn&#039;t like it he can suck my d i ck. I&#039;d be just as happy signing Biron, who is just as good, or Harding, etc. Average goalies are out there, why are you guys all drooling over a guy who is over paid, on a long term deal, and has a hard time stopping the puck regularly?

Once again, forget about the name and actually think about how he plays in goal. I hope this has been informative.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hedberg is better than Luongo based on their play the last two seasons. Its as simple as that. You&#8217;re listing Luongo&#8217;s accomplishments but ignoring his actual play. Hedberg has always been an awesome goalie. The one advantage to Lu over Johan is that Luongo can handle a much bigger work load. For that reason, Luongo gets the advantage, but in terms of quality goaltending, Lu is just not as good.</p>
<p>As for Tim Thomas, don&#8217;t believe everything you read and hear. Thomas is sticking it to his bosses, not stressing out. Thomas&#8217; no trade clause is lifted after July 1st and he wants to control his fate. By announcing he&#8217;s taking a year off he takes the leverage out of Boston&#8217;s hands and puts it back into his own. Pretty smart move by a pretty smart guy.</p>
<p>Obviously Thomas is a better goalie than anyone who might be available (the only guy who even comes close is Kipper, who would cost an arm and a leg if he&#8217;s even available at all.) So I can&#8217;t imagine anyone would complain if were able to sign Thomas for nothing. I&#8217;m hoping Boston will buy him out. Before Burke makes any moves he should at least wait until after the buy out period.</p>
<p>I wouldn&#8217;t pick up Luongo off waivers. I would trade Komisarek and Armstrong for Luongo and two 1sts, that would be my demands if I were running the Leafs. If Gillis doesn&#8217;t like it he can suck my d i ck. I&#8217;d be just as happy signing Biron, who is just as good, or Harding, etc. Average goalies are out there, why are you guys all drooling over a guy who is over paid, on a long term deal, and has a hard time stopping the puck regularly?</p>
<p>Once again, forget about the name and actually think about how he plays in goal. I hope this has been informative.</p>
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		<title>By: Shoelesshobo</title>
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		<dc:creator>Shoelesshobo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 17 Jun 2012 17:40:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I don&#039;t understand this logic. You want to target the following...


- Tim Thomas Age: 38
- Johan Hedberg Age: 39

But yet you would not want Luongo as to fear of him going on the decline or him being the lesser goalie? All I have to say is how is Hedberg a career back up better then Luongo a guy who has a gold medal, nominated for the hart and vezina trophy nominee. 


As for Tim honestly I want no part of him mainly because I think his mindset is way too unstable for a pressure cooker that is Toronto. I mean this is the guy who is taking the year off because of a simple media meltdown in beantown and you don&#039;t think the minute Toronto fans turn on him he wont do the same thing? I rather leave him where he is. Timmy may be a good goalie but he would not survive in Toronto. 


I am not one to be praising move the earth to get Lou but if it is as simple as moving Tiny Tim Connolly or Colby Armstrong I am not going to be complaining.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t understand this logic. You want to target the following&#8230;</p>
<p>- Tim Thomas Age: 38<br />
- Johan Hedberg Age: 39</p>
<p>But yet you would not want Luongo as to fear of him going on the decline or him being the lesser goalie? All I have to say is how is Hedberg a career back up better then Luongo a guy who has a gold medal, nominated for the hart and vezina trophy nominee. </p>
<p>As for Tim honestly I want no part of him mainly because I think his mindset is way too unstable for a pressure cooker that is Toronto. I mean this is the guy who is taking the year off because of a simple media meltdown in beantown and you don&#8217;t think the minute Toronto fans turn on him he wont do the same thing? I rather leave him where he is. Timmy may be a good goalie but he would not survive in Toronto. </p>
<p>I am not one to be praising move the earth to get Lou but if it is as simple as moving Tiny Tim Connolly or Colby Armstrong I am not going to be complaining.</p>
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		<title>By: mojo19</title>
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		<dc:creator>mojo19</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 17 Jun 2012 17:00:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Excluding the team JFJ inherited from Quinn that put up 103 points in 2004, I&#039;m just gonna do a post lockout comparison. JFJ lost Leetch, Mogilny, Nolan, Nieuwy Roberts, etc. after the lockout and it really became his team, adding his guys (Allison, Lindros, O&#039;Neil, etc.)

JFJ&#039;s teams put up 90, 91, and 83 points. Finishing in 9th, 9th, and 12th.
Burke&#039;s teams put up 81, 74, 85, 80 points.  Finishing in 12th, 15th, 10th, and 13th.

There should be an asterisks beside the 2 9th place finishes for JFJ because Sundin was on those team&#039;s and he pretty much single handily won 5 or 6 games in each of those seasons. But still, the point is, Burke has made a lot of changes but the team hasn&#039;t gotten any better at all.

Did we get younger? Sure MacArthur and Bozak are younger than Poni and Antropov, but they&#039;re no better, their upside isn&#039;t any higher. Its one thing to get young guys who have potential to do great things, but the guys who Burke has brought in pretty much are what they are. They&#039;re average.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Excluding the team JFJ inherited from Quinn that put up 103 points in 2004, I&#8217;m just gonna do a post lockout comparison. JFJ lost Leetch, Mogilny, Nolan, Nieuwy Roberts, etc. after the lockout and it really became his team, adding his guys (Allison, Lindros, O&#8217;Neil, etc.)</p>
<p>JFJ&#8217;s teams put up 90, 91, and 83 points. Finishing in 9th, 9th, and 12th.<br />
Burke&#8217;s teams put up 81, 74, 85, 80 points.  Finishing in 12th, 15th, 10th, and 13th.</p>
<p>There should be an asterisks beside the 2 9th place finishes for JFJ because Sundin was on those team&#8217;s and he pretty much single handily won 5 or 6 games in each of those seasons. But still, the point is, Burke has made a lot of changes but the team hasn&#8217;t gotten any better at all.</p>
<p>Did we get younger? Sure MacArthur and Bozak are younger than Poni and Antropov, but they&#8217;re no better, their upside isn&#8217;t any higher. Its one thing to get young guys who have potential to do great things, but the guys who Burke has brought in pretty much are what they are. They&#8217;re average.</p>
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		<title>By: mojo19</title>
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		<dc:creator>mojo19</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 17 Jun 2012 16:47:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I think we should get the best available goalie. As of right now both Thomas and Hedberg are better than Luongo, will both come cheaper, and on more reasonable term, which will give us more flexibility in all areas. 

Why would we go for a lesser goalie, who is more expensive, and on a ridiculous term? It just doesn&#039;t make any sense any way you slice it.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think we should get the best available goalie. As of right now both Thomas and Hedberg are better than Luongo, will both come cheaper, and on more reasonable term, which will give us more flexibility in all areas. </p>
<p>Why would we go for a lesser goalie, who is more expensive, and on a ridiculous term? It just doesn&#8217;t make any sense any way you slice it.</p>
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