McCabe Re-signs?

According to Sportsnet, Bryan McCabe and the Leafs are closing in on a 5 year deal worth 25M$http://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/article.jsp?content=20060531_134945_4084

It eliminates the trade speculations, but i still think he should have waited to test the market.

What do you think?


425 Responses to McCabe Re-signs?

  1. Toonces99 says:

    Good Idea’s the only thing l’m not fond of is Manny Legace…I can’t seem to draw myself to liking him. Great as a back-up in Detroit, but as a starter, l don’t know. True, tough to trade for a goalie, or anyone for that fact, when you want to build with youth and that’s what you will have to give away in order to get someone decent. Frustrating…normally l would be pretty optomistic this time of the year of the things that are going to happen, but man l can’t even suggest what will. They need work and l hope that JFJ will pull one out the hat and surpirse us all. It would take a miracle to get Gaborik here, hard to give talent back when you need as much of it as possible yourself, and the draft picks would be out of the question. Carter, ya maybe….would cost, l’m guessing 1-1.5 mill per year after the season he had, l really like Langdenbrunner, skates hard, can log minutes if needed, plays the PP and PK well, good all around player. I wish l had more suggestions or ideas’ but man l’m really stumped this year….

  2. Marky2Fresh says:

    You don’t win by playing it safe

  3. Marky2Fresh says:

    I think McKee is gone from Buffalo at the end of the year, I remember reading something where they tried to send him to the AHL and he was pissed off about it.

  4. habs_punk says:

    The problem with your “argument” is that we WOULD have all these things if the Americans didn’t exist. It doesn’t matter who popularized something, if it was invented we would have access to it. Not to mention there are quite a few imported (that means brought in from a foreign country, look it up) cars on our roads here in Canada and the USA. If the Americans never existed, I wouldn’t be too worried about the supply of cars, someone would meet the demands. If there was no American media, we would still have movies and television. It would all be of a very different style obviously. I wouldn’t be complaining too much though, we’d be getting more British sitcoms. Shows like Mr. Bean, Monty Python, Fawlty Towers would be more prominent. And although there aren’t a lot of foreign films reaching theatres in North America, it doesn’t mean the quality is an lower than American movies. Generally people prefer to watch movies without subtitles or dubbing. Only the very best make there way overseas. American movies are so much more prominent because of the sheer quantity of them, not the quality. The American media focuses mainly on Hollywood movies, they’re the only ones we hear about. Of all the movies that come to theatres every year, how many of them are actually good and how many of them are just filler?

    I’m not saying I don’t enjoy products from the States, I’m just saying it is incredibly IGNORANT to state that we wouldn’t have any of this stuff if it wasn’t for them. You seem to have some sort of inferiority complex or something. There are smart people in other parts of the world besides the USA, you know. They provide us with conveniences. If they didn’t exist, other countries would provide us with similar conveniences or we would produce them ourselves.

    The key point in all of this is, Canadians invented and perfected hockey. We really need nothing else.

  5. DJTOKid says:

    Martin Biron is the leafs hero in the waiting. UFA who needs to find a place to play, cause you know he ain’t gonna back up Ryan Miller all year, next year. And where better to go then to a team that plays in the sme division as Buffalo. Lots of chances for Biron to haunt the Sabres and prove that he may be the better goalie. Not too sure what his price range would be 3mil-5mil a year? He’s the best option for the leafs, they don’t have to give anyone up for him, and it would leave cap room to get the winger and D-man that the leafs still need to get. Don’t you think free agents would have an easier time coming to Toronto knowing they have a solid number one goalie? Other then resticted free agents that jfj has to sign for the leafs the next signing or move for the leafs should be the acquisition of a goalie.

  6. DJTOKid says:

    Kaberle only had one less point and 70 less penalty minutes same plus minus.

  7. jpmac says:

    oh and Toronto is full of hard nosed fighters…come on man don’t be upset cause yor team is rotten and always is rotten…they will never win a cup because they are the worst run team in sports.

  8. Gretzkin says:

    Dempsey… I like him. Agree.

    Not quite J.Smith, but solid for sure.

    Boy they sure know how to give up prospects…

    Boyes, McCauley (my dogs favorite player, go figure), Dempsey, hell, you could even make a case for Kevyn Adams, etc. The list could go on, but I’ve got to go watch game 7.

    My allegiance is with Buffalo tonight, but I think my Oil match up better against the Canes, but either way, I’m nervous.

  9. Gretzkin says:

    Go Maurice Go???

  10. LeafsLeafsLeafs says:

    dude you are jaded if you actually believe that bullshit coming from your finger tips.

  11. Mario_n_Sidney says:

    He only counts 3.5 mil against the cap next year…somehow.

  12. Mario_n_Sidney says:

    For one thing, the Pens didn’t have Malkin and Crosby until the last two drafts, so that helps things. Patrick lost his touch years ago, and if Malkin and Crosbyweren’t slam dunk picks, he would have found a way to screw those picks up too. The future is bright in Pittsburgh. If you think the Leafs are gonna be better than the Pens in 2 years, you are smoking rock. Obviously talent doesn’t guarantee anything, just look at the pre-lockout Rangers. But the Pens are building a team the right way.

  13. Mario_n_Sidney says:

    Or you could look at their career numbers, wich say Gonchar is one of the top offensive d-men in the league.

  14. paul_dc10 says:

    torontos retarded

  15. LeafsLeafsLeafs says:

    ….by losing?

  16. LeafsLeafsLeafs says:

    If all you want to look at is point totals then yes you’re right, but I’m talking about as an all round defenseman, McCabe > Gonchar, in a New York Minute.

  17. LeafsJaysRapsBillsManU says:

    Wait till you see what the ‘Nucks are willing to shell out for Jovocop and THEN we can safely say who’s “retarded”.

  18. tacitus says:

    I would love to see McCabe test the market. I think most teams are smart enough to realize he wasnt as good as his numbers. McCabe is definitly not in the Nedermayer, Lidstrom, Pronger catagory hes more like the Blake, Schnieder, Gonchar, catagory, and maybe not even there cuz theyve done it for years already McCabe maybe had 2 good years in his what 10 year career. I love McCabe too but i wouldnt want the Wings wasting 5 mil on him so TO shouldnt either.

  19. my_sphincter says:

    Spoken like a true Leafs fan. McCabe is a pilon with a shot (Much like Souray). The ONLY reason that his stats are padded right now is Kaberle. Kaberle constantly bails out McCabe for his bonehead plays.

    As I said, Gonchar’s salary this year is listed as 3.5 mil. I personally don’t like either player, but Gonchar is a better option for any team at defense than McCabe.

  20. my_sphincter says:

    Pens are in much better shape than the Leafs right now. Pens have 3 young players to build the franchise around wheras the Leafs have an aging vet. And speaking of losing… were you alive when the Leafs last won a cup? What about the Pens last cup?

  21. my_sphincter says:

    McCabe doesn’t dominate anyone defensively. He costs his team more goals against than he ever scores. He rarely scores unless he in on the PP. MaCabe is the most overrated player in the league (and as a side note, McCabe should have gotten assists on half of the goals scored against team Canada at the Olympics).

  22. Toonces99 says:

    I guess Biron would be a good fit, (we need a goalie, and he is available and is a former#1 on his team)…I think he would fetch closer to 4-4.5 per year, that may be a little to much, can’t say…we will have to see how the market starts on July 1.

  23. Aetherial says:

    Please provide your frame of reference when you speak of you personal opinion on what he is “worth” … if it is just that you don’t think he should make that much, then you have ZERO arguement.

    You see, the difference between my opinion and yours is that mine is based on marketplace realities.

    Yours is based on God knows what?

    idiot

  24. Aetherial says:

    I don’t even think he can make that team competitive.

  25. Aetherial says:

    If he had of dumped McCabe at the trade deadline for a good prospect and a pick… I would be the first to sing his praises.

  26. Toonces99 says:

    Justify your position before speaking…and please don’t use the 25+ years and counting, it’s getting old and tastless…plus you’ve used it in other posts to argue other positions.

  27. Aetherial says:

    The one thing about the numbers though…

    at least the ARE some sort of CONCRETE evidence. I see far too many people countering the numbers with simply their opinion, or opinion based on one terrible game under the spotlight.

    In other words, I have heard your arguement presented by many people, but I just don’t see the validity of it.

    But no, I don’t like the signing either. I would place him below the first tier of Redden, Chara, Pronger, Lidstrom and ahead of the next tier at this stage of his career.

  28. my_sphincter says:

    Oh, but Lindros is not washed up. And how did Owen Nolan work out for you. What about Gilmour and Clarke coming back for a second go?

    A Leafs fan should NEVER talk about signing washed up players and forcing them into retirement.

  29. my_sphincter says:

    I just looked it up and Gonchar made 3.5 mil this year and will make 4.5 next year. Still a better deal than McCabe.

    McCabe proved at the olympics this year that he is not an elite defenseman when he had the worst +-, most penalty minutes and 0 points. He is just not worth that kind of money (I think Gonchar is also paid too much, but he’s better than McCabe)

  30. LeafsLeafsLeafs says:

    congratulations 2 years of cups followed by some average years followed by being a sellar dwellar for about 6 or 7 years, thats how they ac*****ulated that so called good young talent. With a name like my sphincter, its pretty much a guarantee where all this banter is coming from.

  31. big_booty says:

    A) Both McCabe and Brisebois are horrible in their own end. No one doubts their offensive ability, but defensemen who can’t defend ought to be wingers. They consistently make bad hockey decisions that coaching just can’t fix. They are also lightning rods for controversy in Toronto and Montreal respectively – McCabe for his big mouth, Brisebois for his poor play.

    B) McCabe is over-rated because misinformed Leafers like yourself make him so. You are quick to point out that he scores some goals and that once upon a time he finished 4th in the Norris trophy voting. Well, la-dee-freakin’-da. I can’t stand idiot Toronto fans who think that Bryan McCabe is God’s gift to defensemen. And it’s because of this continued over-rating in his hometown market that makes him able to get grossly overpaid.

    C) Any athlete, and I mean ANYONE, who gives himself a mohawk and dyes it his team’s colors DESERVES to be called a clown.

    Here endeth the lesson.

  32. AfroCon says:

    “How bad is this going to look when the numbers die off again this year. If TV ratings in the US is any indication, the cap may go lower after 2007 than it was in 2005!”

    If the cap goes down, salaries will be cut down since salaries can’t exceed 52% of league revenues so it’s a non issue.

  33. LeafsLeafsLeafs says:

    Did we force either of Lindros, Nolan, Gilmour or Clark into retirement? NO! Thats the point I was making, and actually Lindros isn’t washed up and Nolan was good for the segment of a season he was here, Gilmour got a freak injury and Clark was just near the end of the line. You’re missing the point. None of these players were forced into retirement because the team was to broke to pay them, unlike the shabby Penguins organization. Ya I’ll talk all I want about any subject I want, the Leafs have NEVER forced anyone into retirement. A sphincter is an asshole, thats all I’m saying.

  34. LeafsLeafsLeafs says:

    Thats because you are bias towards hating the Leaf organization and you’re to blind to actually look at the facts. Maybe you should take your head out of your sphincter long enough to watch both players play and compare the 2. There is no doubt that McCabe is a much better defender than that of Sergei Gonchar. If gonchar is so good how come he couldn’t help propell the Pens out of the basement this year? Seems like McCabe has been doing just fine helping to get the Leafs into the playoffs for all of the time hes been here except for one year. Ya but you don’t want to see anything other than your hatred for anything in a blue & white uniform with a Leaf on it.

    You’re done.

  35. LeafsLeafsLeafs says:

    ……now you’r the authority on personal style, tastes and preferences?

    McCabe is much better than Brisebois, especially in his own end. I do not over rate McCabe, do I think hes the best in the league? NO. Do I think he’s top 5? NO. Do I think hes top 10? Yes.

    I have NEVER at anytime in his career thought mccabe to be “God’s gift to defensemen”. If you want to speak about the size of his contract, well, I’m pretty sure if he hit the open market that he would have signed with another team within the same ballpark of dollar figures.

    Statistically he’s been a top 5 defenseman over the last 2 seasons of hockey. If you think McCabe is over paid wait till you see what chokers like Chara and Redden get, I guarantee that it will make McCabes contract look insignificant.

    If you call this a lesson, you need to go back to school, because you fail.

    You’re done.

  36. the_word says:

    Signing McCabe to a five year deal with a ‘no movement clause’ is hardly playing it safe

  37. the_word says:

    You seem to be under the illusion distinct culture exists, this is just BS Canadians tell themselves to feel superior to the Americans. Its not America that organizes the media, its the market, Canadians and Americans live in the same souless suburbs and share the same monoculture. And for those who think who disagree, look who we choose to elect Bush is to America as Harper is to Canada.

  38. the_word says:

    Kaberele wasn’t injuired this year, McCabe tore his groin. You figure playing more games he’d have more points but I guess he when he isn’t pick up assists off McCabe’s shot on the pp he struggles on offense too.

    Sure he has 70 less minutes, Kaberele has no physical presence, another reason he is useless in his own end.

  39. 92-93 says:

    exactly.

    can you imagine the return McCabe would bring – if one considers that Minny got Edmonton’s 1st round pick in the draft for Roloson?

    i think its an issue of Ferguson not being strong or confident enough in his own abilities. he is constantly trying to guage how people will react to his decisions – re: management, players, etc.

    but if the right deal comes along – as he so often says – why not do it? but he doesnt because he is continually walking on eggshells. either JFJ grows a pair and gets a stronger will or he’ll be gone next year and hopefully replaced by a GM who is has some courage.

    otherwise, though, i do think JFJ has done a lot from an organizational perspective, and that is why i am not too quick to criticize the guy.

  40. 92-93 says:

    good i am glad you posted this article.

    most of Cox’s articles are quite good and this one is too. interestingly enough, what Cox does not consider – and what one understands when we hear the recent interviews with Sundin, Tucker, Wellwood, etc. is how much of a positive impact McCabe has in the lockderoom (hence, the utter and sheer stupidity of the comparisons to Brisebois and Gonchar in this thread).

    Cox’s piece is yet another one of those (Toronto-area) journalistic articles that have criticized the amount McCabe got … an amount that many other pieces have pointed out that this amount IS indicative of what he is actually worth in the NHL.

    i think McCabe is overpaid in this deal – no doubt. but that is not my primary concern and not a concern period … its the no-trade clause … as i have continually repeated over and over again. i dont mind overpaying for guys like McCabe or Kaberle (by overpaying i mean 1 million dollars … but obviously not 2-3 million, and anyone who thinks McCabe is only worth 3-4 million is an idiot).

    Cox’s positive take on McCabe:

    “He’s a strong, superb athlete, to be sure, and his booming shot was a major weapon for the Leafs last year. The league expanded the size of the offensive zone, moving the blue lines closer to the red line, and McCabe was a player who took advantage of the extra space and time created to post big-time offensive numbers, particularly in the first two thirds of the season. If he is not a leader, he has some leadership traits, specifically a willingness to stand up for his teammates. Finally, he is a player able to log substantial minutes and play in all situations, something every team needs.”

    Cox’s negative take on McCabe:

    “But he is also a deeply flawed player, or at least he was under the Pat Quinn regime. […] He often reads plays poorly, and then runs around to compensate for being out of position. He takes unnecessary risks in trying to make big hits — his hip check runs at about a 50 per cent success rate — and his ability to make a strong first pass out of the defensive zone is sometimes undercut by his tendency to make errors with the puck under pressure.”

    all very true criticisms of McCabe’s game no doubt. my point is this: he’s got a defence partner that rounds out his own game. he’s a got a new coach that is expected to raise and improve everyone’s game (well, at least, make them work harder – which usually leads to improvement) – two things that Cox considers.

    “When you add it all up, McCabe is not a $5.5 million-a-year defenceman. Moreover, he’s not worth 30 per cent more than partner Tomas Kaberle, yet the Leafs have made the choice to pay him like he is.”

    again, i totally agree. but what is the real issue? the real issue is that when toronto realizes ‘hey, Ian White and/or Coliacovo and/or Bell are really making McCabe look redundant and are outperforming at both ends of the ice, lets trade McCabe for a first-rounder or for a prospect’ ….. they CANNOT DO IT BECAUSE OF THE NO-TRADE CLAUSE.

    that is the problem. and cox doesnt’ pay enough attention to that – he decides to go along with the crowd on this one, and simply criticize the amount of the contract, an amount that will soon be forgotten by most when other D-guys begin signing their contracts this year.

    he does state: “The Leafs are crowing that they’ve “locked up” their two top defencemen, but they fail to highlight the reality that they’re locked into McCabe and Kaberle for the next five years whether they prove to be up to the task or not.”

    most importantly, is Cox’s suggestion that “Whether the club is improved on the blue line, meanwhile, will have less to do with McCabe’s new financial status and more to do with Ferguson’s ability to substantially upgrade the club at the No. 3 and No. 4 defence slots. They’ve got McCabe and Kaberle, and with Staffan Kronwall, Ian White, Andy Wozniewski, Carlo Colaiacovo, Jay Harrison and Brendan Bell, they should be able to fill in spots five through seven. But they don’t have the middle tier filled. Aki Berg and Alexander Khavanov were assigned those roles last season, and they weren’t up to the challenge. If the Leafs can add players through free agency or trades to button down that part of their lineup, then you may have a team that will be better on the blue line.”

    and here is where the likes of Jay McKee come in and it is here that i am hoping that JFJ makes a move. a lot of people think the leafs need a winger, or a goaltender and this is totally true. but an absolute REQUIREMENT for this offseason is for the leafs to get a lesser-known, solid D-guy, preferably one that is not too old.

  41. 92-93 says:

    just thought this was interesting considering this is a Leaf thread and the Finals are about to start:

    Longest Cup Droughts:

    [NYR previously had a drought of 54 years]

    Blackhawks: 45 years

    [Detroit previously had a drought of 42 years]

    LA Kings: 39 years

    Maple Leafs: 39 years

    Blues: 39 years

    Sabres 36 years

    Canucks 36 years

    Bruins 34 years

    Capitals 32 years

    Flyers 31 years

    well this makes me wonder. many of these teams began their drought as expansion teams and that should be taken into consideration. the fact of the matter is that these teams quickly became intergrated into the NHL and simply haven’t done it in the post-season. Senator fans shouldn’t feel so bad that their ‘post-season failure’ is at 13 or 14 years – considering their expansion beginnings and considering their bright future.

    it also makes me wonder because in terms of discourse and hype surrounding Stanley Cup droughts, you would think that the leafs’ 39 year-drought would be 30 years ahead of the next team.

    NO ONE talks about the Blackhawks drought, or anyone else’s drought (even teams like the Flyers and Bruins have pretty extensive cup-less periods).

    then i have to remind myself that when it comes to the Toronto Maple Leafs – everything is often blown out of proportion by both Leaf fans and non-leaf fans.

    here’s hoping that the Whalers/Hurricanes franchise ends its 26-year drought.

  42. 92-93 says:

    Globe and Mail’s David Shoalts suggests that besides Mckee, other 2nd-tier D-guys the leafs can go after include: Pavel Kubina, Willie Mitchell, Kim Johnsson and Frantisek Kaberle.

    i dont see why we need another Kaberle.

    I believe Mitchell is going to resign with the Stars.

    isn’t Johnsson still suffering from concussion symptoms? (we already have that situation with Coliacovo)

    and Kubina’s play in the ‘new nhl’ playoffs this year makes me a little uneasy about trying to sign this guy. again, i’d rather go after and even over-spend a little on Jay McKee.

  43. 92-93 says:

    a better perspective on the McCabe deal (however, one that also ignores the no-trade clause):

    http://www.hockeybuzz.com/blogworld/blog.aspx?blogger=3&post=2180

  44. 92-93 says:

    a passage from Berger’s article:

    “By locking up McCabe, Mats Sundin and Tomas Kaberle on long-term deals, all the Leafs have done is kept their best players. Is that not a better strategy than throwing away people like Edmonton Oilers` captain Jason Smith? Or Nashville sparkplug Steve Sullivan? Or Carolina pest Kevyn Adams? All former Leafs.

    And, doesn`t it send a positive message to other players around the league? Potential free agents in years to come, who now say to themselves, “Wow, the Leafs really value their top players. They show them loyalty and financial committment. Might not be a bad place to consider one day.”

    But, Ferguson has to know that if Sundin, McCabe and Kaberle are on an island somewhere, the Leafs will not improve. He must surround the club`s strong nucleus with a group of players that can perform effectively in the speedy, disciplined NHL. No more Jason Allisons, Alex Khavanovs or Nik Antropovs.”

  45. FlyersfanKyle says:

    i cant belive that a PENS fan said that they are in a better position then the leafs im a flyers fan so i hate both teams equally but even though the leafs were terrible this year the penguins were worse so thats leafs 1 pens 0 next point the leafs have more fans on any given night then the pens do in a week of games so that leafs 2 pens 0 finale point the leafs have a new arena (by arena standards its new by only being 10 years old) the pens arena is what 43,44 years old so fianle score leafs 3 pens 0

  46. FlyersfanKyle says:

    ok dont make me laugh the pens are far from our rival they havnt played 2 competetive games in a year against us since ’99 our rival is Jersey NYR NYI or Toronto

    and whats this about Crosby “owning our asses”?? last i looked the season series was 6-2 flyers and owning our ass what about at the start of the year when it was 5-0 and he was slamming his sitck on the ice or when hatcher high sticked him and crosby turned around to say somthing but stfued after he saw it was #2 hahaha owning our ass the only time that will happen is when the Flyers visit the north west division and play winnipeg hahaha have fun in the ‘peg sid

  47. FlyersfanKyle says:

    whens the last time there has been playoff hockey in pittsburgh 2001 whens the last playoff hockey in philly uhh 3 weeks ago im not a brain sergion but heres all i have to say to you DERRR

  48. FlyersfanKyle says:

    spoken like a true habs fane bragging up shitty players blah blah blah heres a prediction of what you’ll say next “we won 24 stanley cups” yeah in the PAST move along next comment

  49. FlyersfanKyle says:

    go ahead and bash i dont care i hope they keep him because hes *****ing terrible

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