Flyers offered Parise 110 million, Suter was offered 100 million plus by an unnamed team (I suspect the Red Wings). Parise actually took less money than teh Wild originally offered so that Suter and him would have identical deals.

If he’s not going to pay Kessel or Lupul (assuming Lupul has a similar season to last season, 25 goals 65 points and he establishes himself as a player that helps Kessel play better), than he should definitely trade them for a big package of assets. If we lose those two, especially Kessel, the whole build that Burke’s been going on with is a complete and utter failure. It would be a massive, massive failure beyond almost anything this franchise has seen in a long time.

But going after Nash etc doesn’t have to be about guts. To me it’s more where this franchise is. Does it make sense to spend the assets to get one of those players (expecting to get two would be a little much I think) or does it make more sense to play the longer game, slowly building up assets to make this team stronger long term.

The amount of assets it would take to get Weber/Nash almost make’s it a no-go move. They would help for sure but would they help enough to divest ourselves of a huge amount of assets? From a purely logical view, the price to get them would be insane. We already know what Howson was asking for Nash and we can probably guess that Poile would ask for a similar amount for Weber if not more.

I look at this team and I see a young growing team. People always say the Kessel deal was a deal that a rebuilding team doesn’t make. Wouldn’t these delas be the same thing? It just doesn’t make sense to me to go out and grab those guys when we aren’t really all that close to being a cup competitive team.

Why not let the core we have grow a little and see if it can make the playoffs and then re-asses a big trade. Sort of what Ottawa is doing.

And look at the core we have. Honestly. Can you honestly tell me it doesn’t have potential? For half the season it was in the playoffs. But its young and its bound to go through struggles. So why not take it slow, let it grow and if we get into the playoffs then make a trade using our assets for the big move that takes us to the next level.

To be honest, going after some of those big names is a little early at this stage. Maybe I’m seeing things wrong though. This isn’t about me valuing our assets higher than the others. THose players are better than almost our entire team but I don’t think we can afford to give up assets to get them at this point.

Personally I don’t see the point in giving up Gardiner, Lupul, and the 2013 1st or Kessel+ for a guy like Nash when we are already getting the point per game production from Lupul & Kessel each, never mind the value the other pieces give us.

Right now we need a no.1 goalie and a no.1 big-bodied center to play with Kessel. If we trade a bunch of pieces and a first line winger for Nash (another first line winger) then we just lost a few quality depth pieces that now cannot be used to get that no.1 center.

I would love to get Nash but if we have to give up Kessel and the key piece we would need to get our no.1 center (lets say the 2013 1st for example) then all we did was lose our 2013 1st to probably end up with the exact same production if we are lucky (a point per game average).

That is just my opinion though.

Marleau for lupul? It all depends On if he’d waive his ntc. Marleau that is

Habs are trash.

Moving on, the Leafs should ship Lupul out…who knows if he’ll be as good as last season this season…his value might never be higher.

If I was Burke, I’d package him in a deal for a star.

I guess, if he is afraid he needs to overpay money wise to keep lupul in 2013 and kessel in 2014, then that’s when he’ll think of moving them.

I wonder if that would be the plan heading into the season. Could lupul be available at the deadline? I don’t know if he’d match last years production, but if he is around 50 points, he’d be a big big talent at the feb deadline.

And I don’t believe Burke has the guts right now to go after Nash, weber, Ryan, Kane, Kane, or other massive names.

Stastny and luongo are the closest but they’re not worth it IMO.

I think it’s worth just going after grinders and big bodies for the bottom 6. Make it harder to play against and hope for the best. If he isn’t going after players at the Nash level, no point in coughing up your 1st say to get a quick fix.

I think he is pretty much a lock, it’s just a matter of where to put him. And if he does make the team, I see a trade that ships out either Conolly or Lombardi.