Comments on: Won't Get Fooled Again

By: jpmac

jpmac — Thu, 24 Jan 2008 03:08:34 +0000

I am sure most of the league would love to have one of those three as their GM, but it isn't going to happen, so why mention it. Burke for one, can't even opt out, even if he wanted to.

Why would people like Burke or Holland want to take over a team in the state that Toronto is n right now when they are prennial contenders. I know some might say for the challenge, or because it is Toronto, but if I were Ken Holland, I know what I would say.

By: the_word

the_word — Wed, 23 Jan 2008 22:35:14 +0000

I'm not thrilled that Peddie is involved, but as long as the right decision is made, I could care less who makes it. I'm intrigued with Kirke's involvement. Between Kirke and Fletcher Peddie has brought in two well connected and likeable personalities for the search.

By: the_word

the_word — Wed, 23 Jan 2008 22:06:26 +0000

Reading over these candiates it occured to me.... (Now as a disclaimer, I know this is purely overly optimitic wishful thinking in which my Leafs bias is completely ignoring my better judgement).....

Let assume for a moment that either Holland, Burke or Rutherford were interested in taking over the Leafs, all three at this moment are potential suitors for Mats Sundin. Could they be interested in over paying the Leafs for Mats knowing they'd be in a better situation in taking over in Toronto. If so, Fletcher is the right person to set up that type of a deal with, Fletcher is friends with many GMs across the league, he has an inside track on where others may be leaning. Could he exploit this for better return? Could he use this to lure a better deal from another GM outside the three mentioned that may be interested in coming to Toronto?

Wishful thinking.

By: the_word

the_word — Wed, 23 Jan 2008 21:50:56 +0000

Try responding to what I actually wrote. In this instance I wasn't comparing this year's team to last year's team. I ridiculed the notion that the Leafs were a goaltender away from being 'serious contenders' last season despite their 91 points. Let me put this in terms you'll understand, they sucked last year, they suck more this year, but they still sucked last year. Kubina sucked, White sucked worst than he does now, Gill was meh, McCabe produced well offensively but was a huge liability in his own end and Kaberle was the lone brightspot. Raycorft sucked. Their forwards were pretty thin in terms of scoring depth but still overacheived last year. They sure as hell didn't back check though. Leafs may have squeaked into the playoffs and Buffalo would have likely swept them.

Last off season coming off a 91 point season, with the addition of Blake and Toskala the concensus of the absolute ceiling for this team was 6th spot in the East and even that was being generous. Hardly a serious contender.

I don't what I'm talking about? Sure kid, next time read my post before type you typical assumptions. Its funny some of us dig a little deeper than post trite along the lines of 'uuummmm, the Leafs were like good last year and not good this year, you know what i mean?' Not to mention having the conviction to articulate our own ideas defend them ourselves. You'll never see me post thin justifications such as... 'Blue and White agrees with me so I must right, I mean he can name all the prospects from hockeyfutures.com so his opinion is as good as expert opinion'.

But my personal favorites are the completely passive ad hominum responses to those who disagree with your typically weak positions, such as saying 'you're wrong, you don't know what your talking about and you're not fair minded.'

I'm not posting this to offend you, I think you need to realize just annoying it can be trying to hockey with you.

By: mojo19

mojo19 — Wed, 23 Jan 2008 21:43:34 +0000

I know, Burke has worked so hard in Anaheim, winning a cup and putting together a group led by younger players that could contend for years to come. Why would he all the sudden get out of that situation?

Rutherford too, he's worked very hard in Carolina having also just won a cup, although there is supposedly some kind of arrangement he has with ownership there where he can leave at any time, so this one is a bit more believable.

As for Ken Holland, the only way it happens is if the Ilitch family believes Yzerman is ready to take over the GM role in Detroit which they've been grooming him for, for the past 10 years or something. I hope its true because Ken Holland would be a great man for the job.

By: mojo19

mojo19 — Wed, 23 Jan 2008 21:39:12 +0000

I'm with you Leafy. Imagine we didn't have a goalie who was pulled 4 times in the final 2 month's of the season. Very bad. With NHL quality goaltending the Leafs are a playoff team last year.

Word, I hear where you're coming from, but Peddie is not a hockey person and the bottom line is he shouldn't have any say in any of the hockey related decisions about this team. Wouldn't you agree with that statement?

By: mojo19

mojo19 — Wed, 23 Jan 2008 21:34:13 +0000

Go for it. My theory is, its not a pizza until it comes out of the oven. But that's just because I'm afraid of knocking up my girl and I don't wanna be a father.

By: leafy

leafy — Wed, 23 Jan 2008 20:57:41 +0000

You're equating this year's team to last year's?

Last year we got 91 points....and that was with Andrew Raycroft in goal for 72 games!!! Like daaahhhh......

You simply don't know what you're talking about.

By: Kramer

Kramer — Wed, 23 Jan 2008 20:28:12 +0000

Actually I prefer mulagatani soup to jambalaya.

By: Kramer

Kramer — Wed, 23 Jan 2008 20:23:47 +0000

Seriously I just might try that pizza idea. and with cucumbers.